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Old 01-30-2014 | 12:57 PM
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Thanks for sharing, a raylar!

Do you sell the rocker arm nuts separate?
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Old 01-30-2014 | 01:32 PM
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Thanks for sharing, a raylar!

Do you sell the rocker arm nuts separate?
generally not . there is no guarantee that the trunion in somebody elses rockers are machined to the same height and the nuts may not adjust the valves correctly. IF you want to try it ,they are $15.00 ea( very expensive to make) and not going to send them to you to test.you will own them. Best bet is to just buy the rockers and kit. If you want a how to, watch this 16 min video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=03ci0WdLdKk Larry Hofer

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Old 01-30-2014 | 05:16 PM
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Thanks raylar, what are the specs on your 203 camshaft? How does that cam compare to the comp XR270?
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Old 01-30-2014 | 06:38 PM
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Thanks raylar, what are the specs on your 203 camshaft? How does that cam compare to the comp XR270?




ours are 230/238 at .050 . dont know what comps are at .050 lift. sounds live the 270 duration is advertised duration.
it is measured differently than at .050
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Old 01-30-2014 | 06:56 PM
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Theirs is 218 224 @50 so yours has a bit more.

What is your lift? lobe separation and intake centerline?

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/c...csid=1078&sb=2
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Old 01-30-2014 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Pwraddr
Theirs is 218 224 @50 so yours has a bit more.

What is your lift? lobe separation and intake centerline?

http://www.compcams.com/Company/CC/c...csid=1078&sb=2
their cam is similar to the smallest cam i sell. I think i will beg off on any other specks. I worked a long time to find out what works
and what doesnt.

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Old 01-30-2014 | 07:31 PM
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Fair enough. Does the customer receive all the specs upon purchase?

What are the factory HO specs?

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Old 01-30-2014 | 07:35 PM
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The 203 is a little hotter than the Mag HO cam. If you do pistons, you can use the 206 which is pretty radical, more like a Merc 525 idle & lope.

Yes, they give you the specs.
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Old 01-31-2014 | 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Raylar
Good morning to all those with extra time on their hands. Just a couple thoughts. First ,the Dart heads.; good part. The biggest draw back in my opinion is that after you buy the heads, you now also have to buy all new valves and spring components. None of the stock 8.1 iron head parts fit. This adds cost and effort and not every body has sources for valves and springs. And they still weigh 76 LBS! They still make good power but you have to put them all together. The stock iron heads can be ported and cleaned up, but will never be able to match the air flow of the dart or Raylar heads because of the thin wall casting and short side Radius. Also the Raylar heads weigh 38 LBS so no smashed fingers, better heat transfer and higher compression which adds HP. Also mine come complete.

Pistons,,,, Another subject... stay with forged. You can put the Silvalite cast pistons in but then you are replacing a weak piston with a new weak piston. Have heard of forged pistons to replace the stock cast pistons, but I've never seen any. So that generally leaves replacing the cast pistons with custom made forged pistons and H beam rods that use the .990 wrist pins instead of the metric wrist pins. That is what I use. No more trouble with durability. It would need to be balanced, however they are generally lighter than stock cast pistons and rods. This is also a normal machine shop build step. This can all be done for much cheaper than buying a Marc blue 525 engine. And 525/ 600 Hp out of a 496/8.1 is easy.

Rockers,,, you can buy anybody's BB 1.7 rockers, buy ARP studs and install them on your heads. Fits well, then try to fit the valve covers. Woops wont fit. Then you can make or find spacers to raise the valve covers. What a pain. Will they leak? Next choice is to cut down all the polley locks and the studs to fit under the valve covers. What are those dimensions? Trial and error. Got a lathe in your shop? How much time does that take? With race engines, I would spend the time to do all that just to put a stud girdle on it for stability, or Crower makes Shaft Rockers for the 496. Wonderful parts. Looks like jewelry. But for 95% of the 496 engines you can just buy my Stainless Roller rockers and kit and be done in 45 min. A little more money but works every time. When you add up the cost of all the ARP and rockers and the time you need to spend , sounds like a good part.

Some people just enjoy the art of building parts. So do I.

Larry Hofer
I remember seeing Wiseco blower pistons available on your site....that's what my 496 ''supposedly'' has. (.030'' over)
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Old 02-24-2014 | 04:11 PM
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Grumpy because I havent received any updates about this post, I put 1.88 valves in stock heads just f.y.i.
my block .040 over runs hotter then the stock engine for those looking to over bore a stock engine something to consider.
Thanks Larry and micah for the info and better customer service I will be calling soon I think I am going to pull the trigger and just order a set of of the cnc extreme heads
Oh and the video posted about valve train a few post back has my truck in the beginning.
I am building a front mount turbo kit out of sch 10 pipe for that truck now with raylar's 206 cam je pistons rods the forged crank they dont sell any more and hopefully cnc extreme heads
Goal is to break into 4 digits probably start around 20 pounds and see when this engine starts pushing headgaskets. I really am debating a dart block and going to at least 7/16th head bolts.
post more updates as they become available

I took the mild build and stuck it into a red 2000 1500 truck nick named the beetr up, its a truck that had a hard life. It has raylars intake stock TB (atm) zz502 cam and ported heads. Be redynoing that soon and getting it dialed in. Even with 3.08 gears it is a blast to drive with a 5 speed. I put duramax exhaust on it so besides the cam lope it is very quiet









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