that is allot of great info! thanks! i was actually on that site looking at other stuff about a orbital valve but didnt find that info. i have a chart from imco that shows the different helm displacement to what the turns from lock to lock is. i am going to measure the ram tonight and go from there. it looks like the displacement may also have allot to do with how you wnat it to handle also, it looks like there are several sizes that can work and i am not picky. my uncle also owns a fork lift business so i am going to contcat him and see if he has anything used laying around an if not i am sure he can get/ find me new or used ones at his cost. i am also gooing to be using him for all of my lines.

here is another question and this may be more of a debate, allot of people do not run filters and/resivoires....