MILD THUNDER,you are absolutly correct,i was trying to help mr schmidt,and i would have bought the cranks for some builds i am going to do,i could have saved my cust some money,and schmidt went balistic because i asked for a picture,i did not think he would mind taking&sending me a few closeups of the journals,after all,he posted a lot of pictures on this thread,at this point,i think i will no longer offer any help to anyone.i have nothing against mr schmidt,i understand that he has had a bad experiance with all this,maybe he misunderstood my intentions when i asked for pictures,its hard to judge the condition of the journals from the pictures he posted,maybe he thaught i was jacking with him,i was not,no matter,its all good.

"before running mouth . One more thought , Knowledge gained IS in direct proportion to parts ruined ."


well... in some circles people like to gain the knowledge BEFORE the parts get scrapped. your time and money are better spent knowing what you are doing and doing it right the first time rather than doing it over and over again and just throwing ruined stuff away...

First off......Don't run your mouse over the Office Depot banner on the bottom of the page or you might get a really annoying pop-up.

Mike, there were lots of close-ups of the crank journals and one clearly looks blued. It's not the chamfering that ruined them, it was probably heat. A blued journal, AFAIK, has lost it's case hardening. Those cranks are done and you know it and your offer to buy them was BS.

Your first posts on this thread were OK but then you just started to post crap that did not help. It is detrimental to this board when threads go bad like that.

you sir are incorrect,i had every intention of bying these cranks if the journals were not damaged by heat,allthough i saw bluing in one picture,mr schmidt said there was no bluing,this is why i asked him for pictures,i agree,the radiusing of the oil holes would cause no problems,this is why i was interested in them.i believe mr schmidt refused to send pictures because the cranks have blued journals,and his smart azzed remarks were because he got caught in a lie,why else would he refuse to send pictures,only a fool would throw 2 cranks in the garbage if they were good.i believe mr schmidt was not truthful about this whole thread,as i said before,i came on here trying to help find a cause of the failures,the failures were caused from water in the oil,plain&simple.just so you know,i buy a lot of parts from swap and shop,i am honest&fair,and you can think what you want about my offer to buy the cranks,but at 200 each,if they were not badly blued,i would have paid him however he wanted to be paid,that,s how i do things.

Then you shouldn't say anything at all. Posting with a "top secret source" is posting nothing but rumors and/or hearsay.

I don't have a "problem with it", it just makes you lose all credibility in my opinion(and probably many others).

Good afternoon, not trying to stir the pot but I have been following this thread and have a few questions. I've built some drag cars and boat motors. and also worked as a marine diesel mechanic. in the military. first post #1/2 bearings look to be damaged from what is ussually fuel-oil dilution or water contamination. post#27/28 premature damage from trash and fuel-oil dilution or water contamination. post #50 is that white bathtub silcone caulk on the water ports and also china wall? never seen white caulk used in engine assembly or available for machinery. also looks to be very little contact at the bottom of water ports and gasket. maybe misaligned or incorrect gasket? just say'n

lol thats funny the guy who can`t write a proper English sentence telling me to go color, good one.
You sure can dish it but can`t take it.
Now Joe says you`re an engine builder well it all makes sense.. customers are all idiots and engine builders cant do no wrong.. I get the bias now.

I have been quietly reading and absorbing this entire thread and post and it seems to be a thread that is "selfdestructive" for all parties and posters combined.
Let me put my thoughts here, not necessarily opinon, just thoughts.
1. I don't know the engine owner at all.
2. I do know Dean Gellner and I can say I have great respect for his reputation and his passion for his business and this sport. I as most on here must also take the owner Mr. Scmidt at his word that he does not feel he was the cause of the issues that developed with his engines. Time and facts will bear out the truth "Hopefully"
3. On these type of unfortunate situations we must unless we, "know without question", the exact facts, and exact happenings that most of the time the real causes and truths may lie somewhere in an as of yet clearly undefined middleground.
4. Time is the most important thing for resolution it seems on matters like this because generally with time, tempers moderate, egos grow smaller and the ALL real facts usually float to the surface.
I think everyone here except possibly the owner and the builders involved need to back off a bit and reappraise their comments, opinions and positions and let this situation shake out more and hopefully the total reasons for these conditions and failures will become apparent and then everyone who chooses can form their own feelings and positions on what "Really happened" and what the Total "Real Causes "were.

I have some questions here and they are:
1. Why did it take two years to get two engines built and delivered? All the real reasons!
2. What were Mr Schmidt's instructions to the builder, all instructions and requests?
3. Did Mr Schmidt specify any limitations on specified equipment and build based on economics or dollars?
4. What equipment both new and used did Mr. Schmidt supply to the builder. Everything! What equipment new and used was supplied by the builder?
5. Were the engines dynoed after the build? If not why not?
6. In what state were the engines delivered to the owner and what rigging and equipment did the owner install and use on the engines beyond the true build as delivered?
7. Were there any other issues that the engines expierenced after they were first installed and run from hour 1? The Truth!
8. Did the owner Mr. Schmidt make his first and initial contact after expierencing any issue with the engines to the builder first. What information was exchanged, what were the problems (all) defined and were possible solutions discussed or agreed to ?
Just some good solid questions here that may help paint the total situation as it developed and may shed good true light on what really went wrong here.
As an engine builder I can admit and will admit that we sometimes make mistakes and mistakes are sometimes made by those who work and supply parts, work and equipment to us. I can also admit that sometimes owners and engine users sometimes have restricted memory and an adversity to admitting complicity also.
So in a case like this I think its better for everybody to back up a bit, take a big breath, think carefully and conciencously before you speak and write and lets all hope for the best solutions and outcomes for those envolved!
Lets hope calm heads prevail and we can see a good future for all envolved!

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

Good grief, what a chit show of a thread this one is!!! I can't believe that I'm admitting it, but just read the whole thing.

I'm not an engine builder and don't know/can't decide over what the cause of a 20 hour failure of both engines is, but have had experiences with several engine builders over the last 20+ years (some good, some REALLY bad) and number 1 above is the only thing that I can't understand. I don't know any of the parties in this thread......and have heard good things about Mr. Gellner.... but have also heard first hand from at least a half-dozen people that a set of engines has taken 1.5 years plus to get delivery.

How in the phuck does that happen?

Not trying to start any chit...just asking one question.

Craig

my guess is you may have had a bad experiance with a builder somewhear along the line.im not saying that a builder cant make a mistake,i am still not sure what mr schmidt was trying to do,and at this point,i dont care,we all have the right to think what we want,as i said,im done with this thread,carry on.