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so... 19 pages of speculation and personal slagging...

fine

but in the end, was it ever confirmed or admitted, or shown that these motors ran with oil pans full of water ?

after all this it would be nice to know what the true root cause is. its not the journal reliefs, clearences, or parts or quality of assembly...

when the oil was changed all those times, was it full of water ? were the headers actually cracked and caused this ?

easy question

As I stated before I am no BBC builder so I cannot tell you anything about the setup on these motors. I did not see water in any excessive (milky) amount in the oil. As Dean stated the exhaust pieces were good. Massive looking cast pieces. I still can understand why it would take 19 months to rebuild two motors.
I have had a builder take nine months to rebuild two powerheads for me only to have them grenade in 1.5 hours. I'm not an engine builder, but, I am an Mechanical Engineer by education. I bought a manual, educated myself. I talked to and watch a professional builder build a powerhead and build my own power now (2.5 liter outboards).
I had no faith that the builder who put me off, while I watched other jobs go before mine, would do anything but try to cover his ass if I returned my powerheads to him.
Mike grow up. When you stated that the exhaust manifolds were leaking you lost any creditability. Dean Ghellner said the manifolds were good. So where you are getting your misinformation is beyond me.
People, such as yourself come on this site all the time making statements like yours and their creditability goes out the window also. Remember these threads are now on the web for EVER along with your statements bashing Yankey. Never did he bash Dean, nor was this thread created to bash him.. He even went on to say he was a good guy outside of their dealings with his motors. So if you want to keyboard punch me in the head so b it. I have a very hard head.
I wish I could help everyone involved to reach a resolution with the motors, but as I stated, I was just lending a hand to a fellow boater that I had just met.

Bob

If he didn't post a picture with the engine builders name on the crank I don't think anyone would have insinuated anything. A simple black-out of the name would have saved a lot of grief. Knowingly posting the picture with the name on the crank makes it look like this was a staged event. If that's not true, it was an error on Yankey's part to post it with the name.

Anyway, life is too short and this world is too small. A lot of time has past since the engines were taken to Gellner and a lot of time has past since they were dynoed, installed and run for a season. Regardless of the amount of ours, it has been a long time on either side of the fence.

For the sake of both parties, this thread needs to be deleted. Absolutely nothing for anyone to gain from reading it.

bob.the only person i lost credibility with is you,like i said,you are seing things one side only because mr schmidt is your friend,mr schmidt knows what caused the demize of these engines,as do i.i have made my take on this perfectly clear,as far as you telling me to grow up,you have got to be kidding,right,you come on here making fun of my name,like children in kindergarden do,and you have the balls to tell me to grow up,im sure that got you ton,s of respect from other oso members following this thread,their is only 1 reason a person would change iol 4 times in 20 hours,and that reason is to get rid of the water,period.carry on with your noncence,im done with this,and i hope mr schmidt gets his problems figured out,so he can go boating.

Mike Tkach, why are you so hell bent on stirring the pot? I just read this whole thread and you offered nothing of value. Every one of your posts was confrontational. Why don't you stay out of it and let the guys directly involved and others who have helpful input try to resolve this. Sorry guys. I had to say something.

My big question is why BOTH engines? Both had cracked manifolds? Both had bad intake gaskets? Both got full of water? At the same time? Something was done wrong to both motors by someone, it was not random, bad luck, or that 1 in a million occurrence. Someone blew it.

Thank you. I'm done with this also.

im not trying to stur the pot,as a matter of fact,i am done with this,sorry if you think im being confrontational,im just expressing my feelings,it just pizzes me off whem the builder gets blamed for improper rigging,faulty accessories,or anything else that can cause problems.also,i feel me schmidt was in the wrong for bringing this on an open forum without even giving me gellner a call.when mr schmidt was asked who the builder was,no responce,but he posts a picture with [GELLNER]on the crankshaft,im a guy who sais what,s on my mind,i guess some people operate differently.if i offended anybody ,sorry.and believe it or not,i do hope mr schmidt gets it all figured out and goes boating.