Ya know, you keep impling that S30 did something wrong in his build. Unlike you, he is a BUILDER. I have driven and ridden in multiple boats with his power in them, including his. They fly, they live and they work as they are supposed to.

and to add to that, at a time that I was not able to, he build MY motor. a 509 that dynoed at 635 HP. That motor was in my boat for the 5 years that I owned it, and it spend 99% of its time at 5500+ RPM. It never missed a beat. The only thing I ever did to it was change oil, and spark plugs. Then I sold it and for the 2 years I kept in touch with the new owner the motor ran perfectly. Thats SEVEN years on a motor that was not babied, and never even had the valve covers off it.

S30 built Straub. Does this sound broken like you tried to claim in a post to him? I don't think so


http://youtube.com/watch/GKC2MRn7WXU

Makes one wonder if Morel knows this guy is selling inferior product using their name..

Nothing like the daily cslob beatings with my coffee.

Does it taste bitter or better??

you ever see ctrolls magical 25hp in a bottle snake oil.troll can post all he wants,,his character is true when you come on sites and promote garage like the snake oil.not to mention blatant lies about me..chitbag had the balls to say I didn't even own a boat,,thats true,thats the kind of scumbag were dealing w/.

ctrolls has booze in his.

Problem is Bill you posted a picture of the lifters and if anyone google searches they will see they are the same lifter.

Here are you pictures: http://forums.boatfreaks.org/showthread.php?t=5624

You state the engines had reversion with the 731 Cam. Doug states that it was first thought that the springs were bad from Canfield. So that tells me these were assemblies. Guide clearance would not be set up for Marine use. That has to be done per the engine builder. Guide clearance was never checked, the valves seized in the guides and the engines came down. YOu need a scape goat to blame for your lack of engine building skills so you blamed the lifters. The same 4606 roller lifter that Morel makes today and is used in Drag, Circle track, truck pull, and marine.

SAM in Houston has classes to train you Bill if you want to be an engine builder.

you are 1000% NOT QUALIFIED to make a post that has a single technical thing in it. you don't own a tool, and failed screwdriver and hammer classes. You have NEVER put anything together in your life. So you quoting what you think happened to the motor is like me telling an engineer how to get a man to the moon. Just more attempts at redirection because of your screw ups.

man up straub, and admit you messed up and sent junk. All of us make mistakes, and its about time you admitted you make more than most.

Hold the Sweet & Low, I wont need it as long as thread is still alive.

and everyone should read Post 15 and 18. Where I highlighted in 18 tells it all. The video I posted shows straub is FoS as usual, and trying to spread false information.

Doug,
The picture Bill printed of using SOLO cups to hold tooling said it all. Look at the picture with the Duramax. That's what he considers a clean room....a smart person with some simple mechanical skills and the ability to read can catch that the guide clearance was not checked in these engines and that led to the failure. Blaming the part failure is easy. Admitting that we missed a critical tolerance is another. Bill has hung himself with his own statements.

The duramax in this thread is assembled. Duh. so it needs to be in a clean room? Its going in a truck. you think thats clean?

and the loser you hired to build engines for you did it in a garage covered in newspaper and plaster dust. I've been in the assembly room where marine and customer motors are built when S30 works, and its spotless. Oh wait, I forgot. You backed up a poser who claimed he could do a FULL posrt job on cylinder heads in 2 hours. Yea, you back qualified people. NOT.

Again, you are NOT qualified to talk about guide clearance. You don't do it, don't own the tools to do it, and couldn't do it if you did own the tools.

first conman w/ no mechanical skills,,that engine is behind my bench.its there for fitting.something you know nothing about,now stop diverting the attention,conman.
as for the valve guide,you again don't know chiot and prove it w/ your comment.you know nothing about reversion and what it can and can't do.I'm not gonna teach you,you idiot.but clearance were perfect.
after mufflers were taken off,no more problems.
as for the lifters,,you sold us 5 set that were not marine special,but more like ctroll shortbus specials,coming from the head retard.
and prove it chit bag that theres tooling in those cups,prove it.Let you in on a hint you liar,,theres nothhing in them.there used water cups that get thinner put in them for cleaning brushes.
keep trying conman,,maybe we should talk about you inability to tell the truth,,about anything.

like you knew the set up of this sutphen,,I'll just say that exhaust was less than a foot from the water when getting on plane.
now follow closely you brain dead conman,because my story won't change ever.the engine reverted,stuck avalve.we fix said engine and get lifters from you,,5 set,,remember before i said and listed the 5 engine.well 1 set chris's engine.your chit brick lifters went into this engine after the initial failure.
thanks to you,you conman,,I had the pleasure of taking this engine apart and fixing the lifters.
now go con some poor sap on chevelles

this was chris's boat after he sold it.and I fixed the engines.theres other vids available of the boat I don't own says the ctroll.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7lg5TxwPeY

I do own a Sunnen VGS20 Doug. I do own a Sunnen Gauge. If you only knew something.

Speaking of duramax . What's one worth with 97,000 miles lbz. 2006. With Allison.

Bill,
I think it is great that you want to be somebody in this industry. I would suggest instead of tearing down anyone that disagrees with you I would concentrate on work and doing your best. If you dont' understand something then ask someone who does. Calling people names and accusing them of having substance abuse issues does nothing for your future.

S30 - just so you know. You are not alone. A handful of years ago , a good amt of people ran into this 'no top end' oiling thing with Morels and the other lifters , Like Lunati, that where made by Morel.

I know you like Google, so just type in Morel no oil flow to cylinder heads or morel no oil flow. You'll find a bunch who tried returning them to no avail and others who cut a groove from the oiling hole on side of lifter.

Here's one: http://www.429-460.com/t17236p75-new...-no-oil-to-top

Don't let Chris tell you otherwise. It was very for real.

Is there anyone in TN that can take CSTRAB out back and put him down. So much misdirection w this guy on every post. I wouldnt hire this guy to be a sales person at Walmart. Just reading all these posts and the others on Boatfreaks the facts show him to be mostly incompetant when it comes to marine engines and even engines in particular. How come no customers or engine builders come to your defense or say how you really helped them out?????

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Re: new morel lifters no oil to top?
Paul Kane on Tue 2 Apr 2013 - 1:00

.nitro717 wrote:
I put new morel lifter in to replace the old comps and now have no oil up top. Using a drill to prime it havent started it yet, did notive to oil hole are 90degrees off from the comps. Get about 40 lbs of pressure with the drill.Morel intentionally manufactures their lifters with a lifter body diameter that is on the high side (those which are sold under the Morel brand name). They do this so that the performance engine builder can size his lifter bore clearances exactly where he wants them, just like sizing the pin end of a con rod, for example. It's intended as high-end application stuff. If you don't set the lifter bore clearance, you may not get adequate top end oiling.

New blocks will need to have the lifter bores sized, and used blocks often need to be sized...or you can lightly notch the lifters instead of honing the lifter bores. (Another nice thing is if a used block's lifter bores are worn a thou or so, the Morels can "compensate" for that in some builds.) I think it's great that we have a lifter body with alkl of this in mind, and from a high quality manufacturer.

And Morel makes some very high quality lifters. People who use them and companies that offer them under their own brand name include: Force, Roush/Yates, Hendrick's, RCR...Isky, Crower, Merc, Lunati, and more.

Paul


Scott,
You ask any engine builder what the main and rod clearance is and they can tell you. You ask 10 of them what the lifter to bore clearance is and 1 can tell you. The industry std is if they drop in the fit. Morels are at OEM size and need OEM tolerance. .0003" of extra oil clearance on a 2.450" main reduces oil flow by 1GPM. YOu take 16 lifter bores that are on the large size and you tell me how much oil is lost every minute due to internal bleeding. IT IS THE ENGINE BUILDERS RESPONSIBILTY TO CHECK CLEARANCES.

You didn't read all of it, but that's typical.

Why do you have such a hard on to tell so many people they are wrong.

I was telling S30 he was not a lone. Others discovered other lifters not having the problem....some had grooves from the manufacturer, and when these grooves where applied to the Morels, they worked.

which you bought for your wantabe head porter. YOU can't use it. and a sunnen gauge? which one? you don't know because chump didn't tell you. man you are just beyond belief

A LOT of people are aware of your issues. You keep trying to sweep them under the rug, and they go around in a circle and bite you in the butt. You are a nobody in the marine industry. No one buys from you that can count to 1. Hopefully that stays the way it is, because multiple of us are tired of the email/phone calls with how do I fix this pos straub sold me.

You claims on S30 are beyond lame. He has the boats/engines to prove his ability to make marine power. the only thing you have is BS piled on top of the last pile of BS you made.

Do you need a clean room to assemble a motor?

It depends on what angle he is taking and what benefits his story.


Edit in: Thus why my info under my screen name to the left. LOL.

Gotcha. Just wondering cause I've assembled quite a few motors outside at dirty drag strips.

Too bad a build off between the 2 combatants can't not be arranged with no outside assistance. Same cu in, carbed, no SC, pump gas. All machine work and assembly done by each individual..:evilb:

Yea, that seems to have worked pretty well for John Force :cool:

This can't be right because straub says you are wrong. What a link to multiple issues? No, they must have screwed up. Its the builders fault not the sellers.

Amazing that straub keeps telling S30 that he did it wrong, when the ONLY engines that they ever had lifter issues with in 10 or more years were the ones that he supplied. Things that make you wonder. 10+ years of success, and 5 screw ups and ALL the screw ups were straub parts. But hey, straub says its not him, but the builders. so pathetic

Who is going to buy straub the tools and teach him how to use them? Can't pull a GM throttle body but build an engine. This Utube video will crash their servers.

Doug,
You know bill should have checked the lifter bore tolerance and primed the engine before it was ever put in the boat. The lifter are free from mfg defects or issues. New aftermarket blocks have tight lifter bores so that they can be "dialed in" to tolerance. This simple check on the engine building list cost these customers their engines. He chooses to blame the parts. Parts are designed to work in tolerances. Bill did not have proper tolerances.

I'm sure Doug that Bill will own his own Seat and Guide machine some day. I will say the SF600 updated with the Performance Trends software works very nice. Makes for flowing heads much quicker. I hope to have the Duramax flow plate back soon so we can get started on this diesel stuff. Should have some Cummin's test results back on some new lobes very soon.

This has got to be the most worthless comment you have ever made (and thats saying something as most are worthless).

so you have a hidden camera that recorded S30 building these motors? No, I didn't think so. You don't even understand what you typed, because its a cut/paste., What part of "these were the ONLY 5" to have issues did you miss straub?

ONLY 5 failed, and they all had straub junk in them. and yet, as usual, you are blaming the builder. Or IOW, you are saying that he did hundreds of motor right, but not the only 5 that had your junk in them. Do you even believe the garbage you type? The ONLY common thing here is that the failures were the only ones, and they had your junk in them. nothing more, nothing less. NO OTHER LIFTER FAILURES besides your junk.

and straub, I'm so impressed that you claim to own a machine. goodie for you. I can buy one too. course I would be just like you, and not have a clue how it worked. The Serdi that S30 uses every day works just fine. Just because he doesn't own it means nothing.

I guess because the engine builders at HMS don't own the machines, that they are useless too. better tell that to your buddy that works there, and see how it takes it when you tell him that.

did you figure out what sunnen gauge you own yet? ask steelchump. maybe he knows.

Well, he did buy an intake, heads, and exhaust for his boat...but that never went on because he didn't know how to install them and hiss buddies wouldn't do it.

Intake + Exhaust was Chinese too even though he always toughts this when it sounds good:

I want to know why anyone would sell a cast cam for $500 and tell people its ok to run over #600 over the nose. Why Bullet says no more than #450 on the same core. Also when I asked Bullet about my Morel lifters they said I didn't even get the short travel performance ones. No Chris I do not think I will ever buy from Straub Technologies ever again.

Because a straub cam is special. its a special straub casting. Its special, because when you break it, he will tell you that you installed it wrong.

Let me guess. your lifter were ordered one way and came the other? with nothing buy an invoice.

I hope your charged this so you can contest it on your CC and get your money back.

This thread is now closed, too many report to moderators have been logged. If the bickering continues members WILL be banned.