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brian41 01-31-2014 08:38 AM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4066764)
Bob,
The compound variable with what either of us has to deal with is what the customer does have we have advised him on what he needs to do. Just had a customer come to me with a 434CID SBC that does not run, runs slower than this 406CID. He wants a cam change. I remembered talking to him several months ago and at that point we discussed his oil pan and headers. Pan is not a rail kick out, headers are 1 5/8". I asked him if he had changed the headers and pan. He said no. I told him no cam change was going to improve the car until he got the supporting components to achomplish his goals.

If we advise the customer on what to do and he chooses not to all of it then we have NO CONTROL.

I can see its going to be another long beat up on the C-slob day.

Bob.........what you said.....thats why I call you. You do realize that you are now forever part of C-slobs name drops I can see it now " I formulated a custom cam for a 434CID SBC with some help from my new bestest buddy Bob".

sutphen 30 01-31-2014 08:49 AM

cslob,,why don't you review your cd's on airflow,you know the ones you praised in a testimonial.Then come back and try to act as an intelligent,,con man.

cstraub 01-31-2014 09:05 AM

"Beat Up", Name calling, the professionalism shown by some on here would make me think long and hard whether I wanted to do business with this person or not if this is how they act on the internet representing companies we either own or work for. I don't conduct my business like a college frat house, apparently some do.

cstraub 01-31-2014 09:10 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4066784)
cslob,,why don't you review your cd's on airflow,you know the ones you praised in a testimonial.Then come back and try to act as an intelligent,,con man.

Bill,
Don's webiste, Speedtalk, is a weath of knowledge. Don was kind enough to share quite a bit of of his experience with the racing public. I would recommend Don's CD's to anyone that would like to learn about performance engines. I guess I owe you an apology Bill because I like to read others experiences and don't criticize them at every turn when their ideas are not my own. Your really blessed Bill for knowing everything already.

Zone 5 01-31-2014 09:19 AM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4066810)
Bill,
Don's webiste, Speedtalk, is a weath of knowledge.

To bad you don't hardly post there because there are people with a clue on that site. How did your "gain 50 HP with Rods" thread over there go? Oh yea, I remember, you got called the BS artist that you are and never came back to it. Just like your HP in a bottle.

Zone 5 01-31-2014 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by brian41 (Post 4066779)
I can see its going to be another long beat up on the C-slob day.

Bob.........what you said.....thats why I call you. You do realize that you are now forever part of C-slobs name drops I can see it now " I formulated a custom cam for a 434CID SBC with some help from my new bestest buddy Bob".

he has an entire notebook full of names, so he can call you and me and RM etc etc by name, like he "knows" us. Then he drops all those names everywhere, and someone hears a name that he knows, and thinks this clown is someone, and he sticks an other innocent victim.

Zone 5 01-31-2014 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Kidnova (Post 4066771)
Chris - you do realize that, you, entering into an exchange with rmbuilder, is like you, pissing into the wind?

you did notice that he didn't address a single point that Bob made. He can't find Bob's words on the tapes, so he can't answer them.

cstraub 01-31-2014 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4066816)
To bad you don't hardly post there because there are people with a clue on that site. How did your "gain 50 HP with Rods" thread over there go? Oh yea, I remember, you got called the BS artist that you are and never came back to it. Just like your HP in a bottle.

Jager Rod will be back up and running in the Northern Shop, Jager Power Products, this summer. If you would like to try a set Doug and see for yourself you can spend your money as you see fit.

cstraub 01-31-2014 09:28 AM

Doug,
Calling someone by their first name here in the south is called respect. Even if you don't care for the person, we are still human, we still have families. I apologize if you don't understand this.

Zone 5 01-31-2014 09:30 AM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4066822)
Jager Rod will be back up and running in the Northern Shop, Jager Power Products, this summer. If you would like to try a set Doug and see for yourself you can spend your money as you see fit.

You are such a tool. Go back there and read the thread so YOU understand how what you posted was BS. No one on this site gives a chit what you have to say. Do you like the feel of beating your head against concrete? Go back to the 2 sites that have drunk your koolaid and everyone will be better off (except your suckers)

Zone 5 01-31-2014 09:31 AM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4066824)
Calling someone by their first name here in the south is called respect. Even if you don't care for the person, we are still human, we still have families. I apologize if you don't understand this.

I don't want your respect, and I don't want you calling me period.

HaxbySpeed 01-31-2014 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4066777)
well the con man thinks he's smarter than Rmbuilder.

He must think he's smarter then everyone, because he keeps posting trying to convince us he's something he definitely isn't. - A cam shaft designer. It's strange how many people want to be cam experts, what's the fascination? It's also interesting how similar his post structure and phrasing is to Chris Sunkin's. He also, professes to be an expert in areas he isn't, and then continues to deny and confuse the issues when called out. It must be a typical con man tactic. If you keep putting the lies and half truths out there, maybe some people will believe it. I think Serious is probably a much better place for straub to peddle his junk.

SB 01-31-2014 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4066764)
Bob,
Just had a customer come to me with a 434CID SBC that does not run, runs slower than this 406CID. He wants a cam change. I remembered talking to him several months ago and at that point we discussed his oil pan and headers. Pan is not a rail kick out, headers are 1 5/8". I asked him if he had changed the headers and pan. He said no. I told him no cam change was going to improve the car until he got the supporting components to achomplish his goals.

If we advise the customer on what to do and he chooses not to all of it then we have NO CONTROL.

What outdrive on this car ? Alpha or Bravo ? Or ????
Lightning, CMI, or Stellings Headers ? Full wet or dry to the tip ?

Griff 01-31-2014 01:26 PM

Aren't you guys done bickering and screwing up johnnyboatman's thread yet???????????????:whistle:

brian41 01-31-2014 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Griff (Post 4066981)
Aren't you guys done bickering and screwing up johnnyboatman's thread yet???????????????:whistle:



ONLY IF THE ZOMBIES HAVE LEFT THE SITE.....


By the way the OP got the proper answer on the first page, he just needed more reassurance that took a couple hundred post to get him to agree.



By the way Griff with almost 13000 posts I am sure you have fluffed a few threads along the way.

johnnyboatman 01-31-2014 08:44 PM

hell I gave up with this after the first few days, post away

Mrcapsize 02-22-2014 07:14 PM

All the things said about straub is absolutely true. The cam I bought from him was 100% junk and didn't perform well at all. I say 100% because its on a cast core and its not even worth having it reground into a usable piece. My advice to anyone is to stay far away from this guy as possible. He stands behind nothing that he sells and gets top dollar for it.

sutphen 30 02-23-2014 09:58 AM


Originally Posted by Mrcapsize (Post 4079142)
All the things said about straub is absolutely true. The cam I bought from him was 100% junk and didn't perform well at all. I say 100% because its on a cast core and its not even worth having it reground into a usable piece. My advice to anyone is to stay far away from this guy as possible. He stands behind nothing that he sells and gets top dollar for it.

yup,,another satisfied customer.sorry for your problem,,but your not alone,,most just disappear w/ their heads hung low.
I try to warn as many as possible that this is a guy(and aa few others) that doesn't even know how to change an intake on a bbc.
Says volumes when Rmbuilder responds to this azzclown(cslob).

cstraub 02-25-2014 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by Mrcapsize (Post 4079142)
All the things said about straub is absolutely true. The cam I bought from him was 100% junk and didn't perform well at all. I say 100% because its on a cast core and its not even worth having it reground into a usable piece. My advice to anyone is to stay far away from this guy as possible. He stands behind nothing that he sells and gets top dollar for it.

So you register at 11:55 pm on the 22nd and you post this an hour or so later. If you need to contact me my number is 423 391 7774.

cstraub 02-25-2014 05:50 PM

Bill your responses and name calling like you do come from children, not a so called business owner. It's funny how I'm suppose to have all these unhappy customers but when you google search custom cams Straub Technologies comes up on the first page. I wish you good luck Bill.

Zone 5 02-25-2014 08:28 PM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4080604)
Bill your responses and name calling like you do come from children, not a so called business owner. It's funny how I'm suppose to have all these unhappy customers but when you google search custom cams Straub Technologies comes up on the first page. I wish you good luck Bill.

Sutphen30 is not nor has he ever claimed to be a business owner. He is just a person who has gotten your crap and been screwed by it, and the seen the results of it in multiple blown up marine motors.

Getting your website on Google page 1 takes about 5 minutes if the web designer has a clue. Just like anything else, as in a fancy website, it means nothing. Last time I looked, websites nor Google searches were any good at building motors or putting cams in them.

So2fast5u 02-25-2014 08:43 PM

Wow u guys still at it!! Cstraub u may as well give up trying to convince some people on here. Some are very informative in the marine engine issues. But some think they have magical powers that let's them design a magical cam!! In 25 yrs of being around big hp racecars and dealing with big cam company's on occasion, I have yet to meet a cam expert who can tell u the best cam for a particular combo by giving him the engine specs. Other than a crate motor they all need a dyno to know what's best I don't give a Sh!? who they are!!

Mrcapsize 02-25-2014 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4080602)
So you register at 11:55 pm on the 22nd and you post this an hour or so later. If you need to contact me my number is 423 391 7774.

Would you be interested in slightly used straub cam. You can run 650# over the nose on it. NO WAIT MAYBE MORE! (oh and by the way what difference does it make when and what day i post?)

SB 02-25-2014 08:53 PM


Originally Posted by Mrcapsize (Post 4080761)
Would you be interested in slightly used straub cam. You can run 650# over the nose on it. NO WAIT MAYBE MORE! (oh and by the way what difference does it make when and what day i post?)

He isn't capable of installing his own intake manifold, exhaust manifold, schit....even a throttle body, let a lone his own cam.

Go ahead ask him if he's ever done that on his own stuff. Force'm not to lie. Good luck.

sutphen 30 02-25-2014 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4080604)
Bill your responses and name calling like you do come from children, not a so called business owner. It's funny how I'm suppose to have all these unhappy customers but when you google search custom cams Straub Technologies comes up on the first page. I wish you good luck Bill.

yeah,thank god luck was on my side when I noticed your "marine special" lifters weren't suppling oil to the rocker arms.you cost me time to fix 5 blower motors.you are and always will be a screw up.now go hit the bottle and keep telling yourself youself your great.as for name calling,,your an azzhat and a buffoon.
anyone who uses you is dumber than you because they will get con'd by the conman of cams.
know what I wish,,you would just dissappear from our boating sites,because your clueless.

sutphen 30 02-25-2014 09:26 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4080764)
He isn't capable of installing his own intake manifold, exhaust manifold, schit....even a throttle body, let a lone his own cam.

Go ahead ask him if he's ever done that on his own stuff. Force'm not to lie. Good luck.

he hasn't and can't,,fact.guys inept.

wheres that magical snake oil that nets 25hp and that intake he posted about that magically made 30 more hp.friggen dipchit,thats all.

sutphen 30 02-25-2014 09:27 PM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4080730)
Sutphen30 is not nor has he ever claimed to be a business owner. He is just a person who has gotten your crap and been screwed by it, and the seen the results of it in multiple blown up marine motors.

Getting your website on Google page 1 takes about 5 minutes if the web designer has a clue. Just like anything else, as in a fancy website, it means nothing. Last time I looked, websites nor Google searches were any good at building motors or putting cams in them.

well said.

sutphen 30 02-25-2014 09:28 PM

cslob ='s troll

sutphen 30 02-25-2014 09:37 PM

here slob,this is what 1200hp engine looks like.maybe some day you'll figure it out you azzclown
not only did I build it,I installed it unlike you.
http://i60.tinypic.com/14dk86b.jpg

MILD THUNDER 02-25-2014 09:38 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4080785)
yeah,thank god luck was on my side when I noticed your "marine special" lifters weren't suppling oil to the rocker arms.you cost me time to fix 5 blower motors.you are and always will be a screw up.now go hit the bottle and keep telling yourself youself your great.as for name calling,,your an azzhat and a buffoon.
anyone who uses you is dumber than you because they will get con'd by the conman of cams.
know what I wish,,you would just dissappear from our boating sites,because your clueless.

What lifters?

SB 02-25-2014 09:59 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4080801)
What lifters?

Probably like the one's he sold a member here. Sold him top of the lime Morels for a big solid roller in a near 600" blown motor and they broke. When we got the pics of the blown up lifters/motor, we noticed they where the cheap street solid rollers. Feet at the axles spread and stuck in the bores. Broke the motor.

He blamed the engine owner and builder for not noticing during assembly. The lifters came in a unlabeled brown box so how would they know.

MILD THUNDER 02-25-2014 10:01 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4080816)
Probably like the one's he sold a member here. Sold him top of the lime Morels for a big solid roller in a near 600" blown motor and they broke. When we got the pics of the blown up lifters/motor, we noticed they where the cheap street solid rollers. Feet at the axles spread and stuck in the bores. Broke the motor.

He blamed the engine owner and builder for not noticing during assembly. The lifters came in a unlabeled brown box so how would they know.

Ahh...the street lifters with the 700 wheels

sutphen 30 02-25-2014 10:29 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4080801)
What lifters?

not sure,I was out for a surgery and Tom the owner was contacted by ctroll.usually we buy isky rollers but were sold these "marine special" lifters and guaranteed they'd work.well I came back and fired up a motor and thats when I noticed no oil to the rocker arms.turned out I had to cut a groove up the lifter to contact the oil gallery.ctroll took a its your fault attitude.If he was in front of me when he said that,,well ,there'd be some problems for him.
we've built mre than 500 engines and this was the only time we've seen this problem.
then we had him cut us some marine cams for a blown 540,,lets just say the boat went slower than before.

sutphen 30 02-25-2014 10:31 PM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4080816)
Probably like the one's he sold a member here. Sold him top of the lime Morels for a big solid roller in a near 600" blown motor and they broke. When we got the pics of the blown up lifters/motor, we noticed they where the cheap street solid rollers. Feet at the axles spread and stuck in the bores. Broke the motor.

He blamed the engine owner and builder for not noticing during assembly. The lifters came in a unlabeled brown box so how would they know.

ctroll hope we'll forget.not gonna happen,and we will rimind everyone of the facts that he's a liar and a story teller,just so he can try and look authentic.

cstraub 02-26-2014 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by Zone 5 (Post 4080730)
Sutphen30 is not nor has he ever claimed to be a business owner. He is just a person who has gotten your crap and been screwed by it, and the seen the results of it in multiple blown up marine motors.

Getting your website on Google page 1 takes about 5 minutes if the web designer has a clue. Just like anything else, as in a fancy website, it means nothing. Last time I looked, websites nor Google searches were any good at building motors or putting cams in them.

Bill stated he is not an employee of a shop and now your saying he is not in business for himself. Interesting.

cstraub 02-26-2014 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Mrcapsize (Post 4080761)
Would you be interested in slightly used straub cam. You can run 650# over the nose on it. NO WAIT MAYBE MORE! (oh and by the way what difference does it make when and what day i post?)

Sure call me and I will send you a call tag for the am and refund you. Number is 423 391 7774

sutphen 30 02-26-2014 07:56 AM


Originally Posted by cstraub (Post 4080930)
Bill stated he is not an employee of a shop and now your saying he is not in business for himself. Interesting.

ctroll,once again you useless wast of dna,trying to start something thats not there.

go make up a story and post it so we can pick you apart again,,you fraud.

cstraub 02-26-2014 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4080785)
yeah,thank god luck was on my side when I noticed your "marine special" lifters weren't suppling oil to the rocker arms.you cost me time to fix 5 blower motors.you are and always will be a screw up.now go hit the bottle and keep telling yourself youself your great.as for name calling,,your an azzhat and a buffoon.
anyone who uses you is dumber than you because they will get con'd by the conman of cams.
know what I wish,,you would just dissappear from our boating sites,because your clueless.

Damn now its gone from 2 blower engines to 5. Bill any engine builder knows there are series of lifters. Price dictates what they want to use. Morel at that time had the 4606, similar to the Pro Series Crane, and the 4845, similar to the Crane Ultra Pro.. Both lifters are in use today. We have a set of AFR heads hear at the shop. Marine build, 540, that was done 7 years ago. My cam and a set of 4606. It has 280hrs on these lifters no issue. I have 2 sets of 4845 that were sent in for rebuild. Not my cams and I did not sell the customer these Morels. They have someone elses name on the tie bar. Marine builds, na, 300 + hours. Point is Bill the lifters although 2 different series are used in Drag, Marine, Truck Pull, Circle track. The lifter has no idea what it is going to be used for. It wasn't the lifters issue of lack of oil Bill.

I've got great customers and they are all good people. You calling them names will ever concrete the idea of you never being in business for yourself. You don't treat people you don't know like that.

cstraub 02-26-2014 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4080816)
Probably like the one's he sold a member here. Sold him top of the lime Morels for a big solid roller in a near 600" blown motor and they broke. When we got the pics of the blown up lifters/motor, we noticed they where the cheap street solid rollers. Feet at the axles spread and stuck in the bores. Broke the motor.

He blamed the engine owner and builder for not noticing during assembly. The lifters came in a unlabeled brown box so how would they know.

Scott,
B2B ordered lifters from me. I drop shipped the lifters to the engine builder. I was billed by Morel for the lifters. LIfters did not come here. The engine builder was a customer. He ordered both 4606 and 4845 from me. Your wrong, it is there responsibility to verify that they got the right parts. The bill from morel to me was for 4845s. I sent a copy of the Morels invoice to B2B.

Morel at that time did not have the street solid roller lifter. The street solid roller is an encapsulated lifter with a .700" wheel. The body of the lifter covers most of the wheel. The lifters available at that time were the 4606 and 4845 in .842" +.300" tall.

Scott the last line of QC is the engine builder. Check clearances and verify parts is part of engine building.

Morel lifters still come in a kraft box today from some companies. This has not changed.

cstraub 02-26-2014 08:40 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4080833)
not sure,I was out for a surgery and Tom the owner was contacted by ctroll.usually we buy isky rollers but were sold these "marine special" lifters and guaranteed they'd work.well I came back and fired up a motor and thats when I noticed no oil to the rocker arms.turned out I had to cut a groove up the lifter to contact the oil gallery.ctroll took a its your fault attitude.If he was in front of me when he said that,,well ,there'd be some problems for him.
we've built mre than 500 engines and this was the only time we've seen this problem.
then we had him cut us some marine cams for a blown 540,,lets just say the boat went slower than before.

Bill,
Coughlin called me Bill. Modifying lifters in the manner you are speaking is a patch for improper lifter bore clearances. I gone over this with John Callies on several occausions. Grooving the lifters or grooving the bores, Comp has tool for doing this to the lifter bores. If the bores are not correct when measured during pre assembly then this process can be preformed. That is engine building 101. I'm glad you posted that about grooving the lifter bore after the fact and you have it in writing now.


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