Selecting a manifold for AFR 265's - single versus dual plane - thoughts anyone?
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Typically the longer and smaller the runner (dual plane) the more bottom end power. The bigger and shorter runner (single plane) requires more RPM to make it's peak power. The twist in that statement is this of course is a marine application where acceleration isn't as important as maintaining a steady RPM. I think that is why the single plane manifolds tend to work well in the marine world. Once we are at a steady RPM you can easily fill up the plenum and runners.
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I am going to revise my peak torque rpm guess to 4800 +-.
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Nope. It's math. No matter what engine is measured, they'll cross right there. Torque is measured. HP is equated from torque, rpm, and a constant....constant being 5252. Thus while they'll equal each other at 5252 rpm.
HP= (Torque x RPM) ÷ 5252
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That's exactly where the torque peak was for a set of AFR 265's with a single plane in this CC article - although they ran a more aggressive cam on a 454, so not exactly apples=apples.
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...r_numbers.html
That being said, I really want to limit my WOT RPM's to around 5400. This is a cast steel crank in this thing, not forged. Although they are supposed to be able to handle north of 600 HP, I'm not pushing my luck.
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...r_numbers.html
That being said, I really want to limit my WOT RPM's to around 5400. This is a cast steel crank in this thing, not forged. Although they are supposed to be able to handle north of 600 HP, I'm not pushing my luck.
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Typically the longer and smaller the runner (dual plane) the more bottom end power. The bigger and shorter runner (single plane) requires more RPM to make it's peak power. The twist in that statement is this of course is a marine application where acceleration isn't as important as maintaining a steady RPM. I think that is why the single plane manifolds tend to work well in the marine world. Once we are at a steady RPM you can easily fill up the plenum and runners.
The bigger the air pump (cid and/or great cyl heads with good cam) the less the dual plane is beneficial, even for our so called lower rpm engines. Especially with engines nearing 500cid or above.
Do we really care about power under say 2500 or so rpm ? Nope.
That said, there are many different single plane intake manifolds out there for BBC's. They are not nearly the same. Put a single plane designed for a 580+cid 7000rpm motor on a 454 and it will become insta-turd.
So...I always feel it's important when someone is wanting or suggesting a single plane intake that they mention which intake. Very important.
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That's exactly where the torque peak was for a set of AFR 265's with a single plane in this CC article - although they ran a more aggressive cam on a 454, so not exactly apples=apples.
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...r_numbers.html
That being said, I really want to limit my WOT RPM's to around 5400. This is a cast steel crank in this thing, not forged. Although they are supposed to be able to handle north of 600 HP, I'm not pushing my luck.
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...r_numbers.html
That being said, I really want to limit my WOT RPM's to around 5400. This is a cast steel crank in this thing, not forged. Although they are supposed to be able to handle north of 600 HP, I'm not pushing my luck.
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So you own Dart oval port single plane intake and you are wondering which intake to use
..Why don't you put on the one you own and try it .If you aren't satisfied with midrange by an rpm airgap .Gaskets may be expensive .but less so than a new intake...Especially if you are happy with the dart and game over .....
..Why don't you put on the one you own and try it .If you aren't satisfied with midrange by an rpm airgap .Gaskets may be expensive .but less so than a new intake...Especially if you are happy with the dart and game over .....
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