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Hey guys. I'm thinking of making some changes in boating. I am considering this Liberator 201. I can get a SMOKING deal on the boat. It has some hull rot here and there, nothing major. Just the transom and stringers and interior are shot. But, I have a unlimited supply of plywood scraps, as a buddy works for the local lumber yard. other than that, the boat just needs some TLC. There was a small fire under the dash, too. Anyhow, as it sits, the engine is locked up (boat been left out in the rain uncovered since 1992). Which is ok, because i am highly talented in rebuilding engines and woodworking, and should be good to go there. Here is what I would like to build for power.

Reuse the stock cast crankshaft. It will need to be cut 40/30, but I am not rich, and buying a new crank is not in the budget.

Reuse the stock 3/8 GM rods. They look to be in good shape, along with the bolts after i soak them in marvel mystery oil for a few weeks. I am not rich, so new rods are not in the budget.

The pistons are gonna need to be replaced. I will be going with some used ones out of my buddys 454 truck engine. I am not rich, so new pistons are not in the budget.

That should take care of the bottom ends. I think they will hold up to 6000RPM, or so I have heard. Which brings me to the good stuff.

I Found a used flat tappet cam and lifter set on ebay. The cam is a 194/203, with .398 lift. I plan to retard it 2 degrees, for a little more top end. I am not rich, new cams are not in the budget.

I am going to keep the peanut butter port heads. I have seen, i mean heard, they can support 700HP. Probably just derust them and throw a couple shims under the stock valvesprings, since i plan to turn about 6000 wot. I am not rich, new heads are not in the budget.

Which brings me to my question. I am in a real pickle here. I am really undecided on which route to go for an intake manifold. I have seen, i mean heard, that a dual plane will be the way to go, as long as i am under 7250RPM. Just not sure. Either that, or my buddy has a single plane weiand intake that he would give me if i mow his lawn. I am not rich, so new intakes are not in the budget.

If you guys can give some thoughts on this, I'd really appreciate it. By the way, my total budget for this build is 672 dollars. I would like to show everyone you dont need to be a spoon fed rich boy to make some BIG horsepower. Which, btw I am shooting for 650-700HP on this build. Keep in mind, I am looking low end TORQUE and MIDRANGE punch. I think when i am all done, I'm gonna be embarrassing quite a few of you big shots with your Fountains and Cigarettes, especially when it gets rough. The liberators are a deep vee. Any thoughts? :party-smiley-004:

funny, but if you saw the insides of my jet boat engine, it is not far from what you described. I didnt want to have any money in it in case I sink it. (it gets rode hard) I have about $400 in the whole engine including buying it and several cylinders have rust pits big enough to feel with your finger but the stupid thing keeps running so I keep trying to kill it. of course I should have tried the peanut ports as my oval ports are only turning 5000 so I must have picked the wrong combo.

I am mocking up an efi conversion. What do you think?

I say use the intake and carb you already have. I'd rather c you out possibly floating/ sinking around. Save your money on parts I have a 25 gallon drum of nitro methane and a 55 of alcohol ill donate to the project as long as I can video the maiden voyage. I think a 25% mix and and 80 degrees of timing might get the old girl moving. I say weld some material to the tops of the pistons to get the compression up and just j&b weld the heads to the block to.

Great idea!! I was gonna fill in the valve notches with JB weld at minimum. Maybe I should try milling the heads at the lumber yard where my buddy works. I think they have a planer there.

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Tie a ski rope to your truck strap each head to your buddies feet pull him down the road. Once you get the heads close to where you want find a nice concrete highway and pull your buddy 100mph+ for about 10 miles and the finish will be perfect.

What do you think about a belt sander with some 60 grit emery cloth? I dont plan on using MLS head gaskets.

im not sure if i would go with the libetator 20,i like you am not rich so for your money u can get a better boat.a few oso members have better,faster hull,s that can be bought cheeper.one is a trovar that the owner is building a bad azz 496 for.he is not rich so he went with a cast crank because the forged unit cost to much and is not needed.if i remember correctly it had a rotted transom but he is repairing it.the engine should be done in the early part of 2016 and it no doubt will be a bad azz boat.the other project boat is also owned by a fella who is not rich but he did remove the origional 6 cyl engine and replaced with a bad azz 350 he built that runs strong to 7500 rpm and is really fast due to the bigger lower unit.all this just prooves that all them rich guys with the cigar boats dont know shiit about making boats fast.i am not rich so i will be in the market for a late70s or early 80s bayliner with a 6 cyl engine in it,im going to have this engine builder from texas do his MAGIC to it .see you on the water!:boat:

I didn't know you had money for sand paper I was trying to stay within budget...

Thanks for looking out for me. I didnt think about that. Maybe I can make my own sandpaper. I have some glue, i have some paper, now i just need some sand.

You gonna have ole shooter himself build ya a motor? He told me i can run a 258/272 @ .050 cam, with a 106LSA, with my stock manifolds in my little 454 here. I'd go for it, but just not in the budget. Im gonna stick with my 194/203 STUMP PULLER cam. did you hear that MIKE TKACHY I SAID STUMP PULLER

my nabor has some sand in his kid,s sandbox,im sure he will let you have some for your project,i told him you are not rich.

What type drive do you think you might run? gear Ratio? with that set up may I suggest a High Rake, reverse double cupped two blade aluminum super sonic twister model version 4.1 prop! let me know if I can help you get it through customs.

All you have to do is put a carb spacer on your Bayliner and you'll get a couple thousand rpm out of it. If you don't have the money to buy a spacer you can use a piece of plywood and cut it out. Just make sure it's marine grade. That's what I did on my last build and it made another 200 hp.

I think if you put a 3rd axle under the trailer, over inflate all 6 tires, (Rt side more than pass side to offset heavy driver) and strap it real good to the boat, you'd be able to use the 4 banger out of your Pinto and go faster! Those tires will give LIFT. Could also strap a piece of particle board ( MARINE plywood is way over rated) to the bottom of the trailer for more lift......more speed. That's how them Skeeters and MTEYES can go so fast! When its smooth water of course. If you go to flea markets, keep an eye out for one of fancy electric trailer tounge jacks. With a switch at the helm, help with bow lift!

who is this shooter guy you speak of?is he a famous marine engine builder and where is he from?

I would recommend dragging the whole hull behind the truck without the trailer to sand down those factory hooks in the bottom. Those aren't needed, and will result in at least a 15 mph gain.

Right now it has a Alphasonic . I think its setup for low end. Its a 3.50 ratio. Thanks for the heads up. Im not sure maybe i might do some custom prop stuff later

That's old technology all that fast guys are making their own props out of plastic. I like to drive around the hood and pick up old weed eaters I use the string heads to make my props. Totally custom you don't need to spend thousands to go fast it's free.

Now why didnt I think of that?

[QUOTE=Black Baja;4085740]All you have to do is put a carb spacer on your Bayliner and you'll get a couple thousand rpm out of it. If you don't have the money to buy a spacer you can use a piece of plywood and cut it out. Just make sure it's marine grade. That's what I did on my last build and it made another 200 hp.[/ marine grade plywood is not in the budget because i am not rich but i have some elmer,s glue and i can get some sand from the naber,maybe i can glue a sandspacer to put under my stromberg 1 barrel carb,should make tons of torque!

You dont know who shooter is? Shame on you MIKE TKACHY.

Shooter is a big name marine engine builder. He has a wonderful storage bin, which is often referred to by many as the "'magic room''. He will build you one hell of a motor for peanuts (just like my heads lolololol). Just be nice to him, or he will shoot first and ask questions later. Total bad azz

do you think that will work on the 18 ft bayliner i am bidding on,im not rich but i did put in a bid for 502.33,thats my incom tax return.

I have a complete throttle body injection off of my buddy's 87 camaro with the 305 V8 I am gonna use on this build. In case you guys havent noticed, carbs are junk. I am not going to run carburetor junk on this build. It WILL BE TURN KEY EFI DEPENDABLE . I am going to mount the ECM in the cuddy cabin so it stays dry (after i fix the crack in the hull hopefully). IT WILL BE A MONSTER. Wait until you hear the lope from my 194/203 115lsa cam. This engine is gonna pull so much vacuum at idle it will suck the panties right off my old lady if she gets to close to it.

Please slow down with the suggestions, I cant write down all this great info fast enough, you guys are giving me some great Ideas!!, Wish I could afford the $$$ to have a "Magic Room Motor"

This site just isn't for me. You guys spend 100's of dollars on your boats to Make them go fast I only have $150 in all three of my boats total and my 24' Bayliner with a 4cylinder runs in the 70's cause I know how to make big power.

ABSOLUTLY! But I would suggest your extra cash could be better used elsewhere! maybe some .9:1 stamped aluminum rockers!

It's not about the motor it's about the big outdrive. You can have a 4 cylinder and go just as fast as a 600ci blower motor as long as you have a big outdrive.

If you need sandpaper I can send you what we have used and thrown away. Lol!

Got it thanks for the tip!

I love how you try to pull me into yet another thread with your verbal diarrhea and comparing me to these assclowns. Guess you don't follow my thread as I'm using a 4340 crank, 4340 rods.... But you are a bit slow and have trouble with reading comprehension, not to mention spelling. I have plenty of money, again if you look at the parts I have utilized its apparent I'm not the average budget guy by any means, I just don't spend it on whiskey tango pole barns... I live in Scottsdale in a very large home, you live in Illinois. Enough said.

Heres an engine i recently built for a buddy. TORQUE MONSTER. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K2FczNKwOoA

You must be rich how did you get so much money back? I could buy 3 or 4 more boats with that kind of money. Probably build the fastest v-hull in the world.

yep,efi is the way to go,who needs forged crankshaft,hyd roller cam or good flowing cyllinder heads,all you need is efi,it,s so much better than any carb and can even save your engine from detonation.im looking at an efi setup on ebay from a 1985 cadillac seville.i was going to bid on a efi unit off of a v6 camaro but it,s not in the budget,afterall,im not rich!

Been thinking about pulling the engine out of my chevelle to put in the boat. But I am worried i'd snap the transom in half. Check out this STUMP PULLER i built. Neck snapping. BTW, it has Peanut port GM heads, except i installed smaller than stock valves and a HEI ignition with a MSD COIL. I cant seem to get a decent 60ft time though. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y21vzUZ25XE

Wow, a injection unit off a mid 80s caddy? You have way more money than i do. And i dont appreciate you spending mine for me. I have a perfectly good 4-6-8 caddy engine out in the barn. I am going to retrofit the ecm it to my 454. This way, when i am cruising down the river, i can cut cylinders out like the new Hemi and save on gas. I am gonna have it all on switches at the dash. So when those fountain big shot jerks come up to me, i can flip on all 8 cylinders and show them how its done.

wasent talking about you but since you are talking about my building,how about a pic of yours.i dont give a shet where you live buddy and im sure you have plenty of money,thats why you have such a fine boat.go crawl back in your dream world hole azzclown.:blahblah:

Oh you weren't taking about me?! Didn't realize there is another guy on here with a "trovar" as you call it. You are so very unoriginal and pathetic... Granted there are some guys on here, as evidenced by the last couple of days that truly are train wrecks, however I don't appreciate being associated. Especially by some illiterate, half breed red neck like you. You can turn a wrench, so can I. Where we differ is I am eloquent and well spoken/read, and you are a bumbling ratard who thinks he's the marine engine god. Well maybe in your pitiful circle you may be, however, the rest of use know the truth. To be funny, you need wit, that is something god definitely DID NOT bestow upon you.....

I'm currently doing some fiberglass work and will be assembling my engine here shortly. It will be detailed in my build thread. Not like I'm hoping you follow as I could give two s**ts what you think.

Can we please get back to my Liberator build.:offtopic: