Yes, it was Lake Speed Jr who replied to me. Havent heard back yet.

A freakin wealth of info he is. He is a cool dude. Of course he does not know me like a friend or buddy, only knows me by sight as I have hung out with those guys, plus sit in on his seminars every year and will again in this Dec in Indy. . Like I said before he does not slam Driven oil down your throat. Actually he owns a % of the company along with a couple others. I bet they are away getting stuff ready for SEMA.

Yes, I've watched some of his youtube videos. Very informative.

I was googling marine high performance engine oil, and came across this? Looks interesting! :frog:

I think the later it gets the funnier you get. How did you make that ad ? Actually funny. Really I think Borgie is really trying to help out. He does know a lot and really wonder what he does for a living as he said he works 2 jobs. Really he is just trying to help out. For my case I am just bored most of the time - long story

I knew you put that heavy wt redline oil up there for Borgie to look at. Like this site needs more trouble up here.

He does know his oil no doubt. I think he knows I'm just teasing :fear:

Lol, you get an A for creativity!

From Pennzoil . No question from them regarding clearances in the engine, like the man from Driven (Gibbs) oil asked before giving his recommendation.

Hello. I was wondering which of your oils you would suggest for my application. It is a high performance marine offshore engine. It see’s frequent full throttle run times. Engine is based off a 454 Chevy engine, making around 650HP. The operating temps range from around 60* pan temp at startup, and full throttle temps are between 190-220*. Thanks, Joe


Thank you for your inquiry on the marine oil application. Pennzoil Marine HD 4 Cycle 15w-40 is an excellent lubricant for application. If you cannot find this the Rotella Triple Protection 15w-40 is an alternative.

If you have any further questions please call our hotline at: 1-800-237-8645, option3, 2.

Sincerely,
Pennzoil Technical Information, ds


Then I got a response back from Gibb's/Driven racing oil after I got back to them with the bearing clearance

Joe,

Thanks for the details. The MR50 is a perfect choice for that application. It has corrosion inhibitors for storage as well as more ZDDP for increased wear protection. It is ideal for that application and environment.

Thanks,

Lake Speed Jr.
Certified Lubrication Specialist & Oil Monitoring Analyst
Driven Racing Oil

Then I get this back from amsoil just now. So far 3 big oil oufits, recommended 3 different grades of oil. And we wonder why we argue amongst ourselves!

Joe-



AMSOIL would recommend using product 10W-40 marine (WCFQT).



Thanks,

I already knew Driven 100 % not even 99% would tell you.

Why are you surprised with different answers? The oil choices that keep coming up are so close in their properties and what they do it was pretty much a fore gone conclusion. The shear resistance of the oil is way more important than if it's 10w, 15w or 20w at start up and 40 w or 50w when hot, just sayin'.

Comp Cams.

Ken

Yes and no. 2 of the principals that own COMP are partners with Lake in Driven. Personally, not as COMP Cams. Fine line I know, but that is how they state the relationship.

Joe- Great information! My aim is to hopefully educate, and dispose of some old wives tales and as always, learn more along the way. My guess is Dave from RedLine will recommend 10w-40. Something valuable to note is remember that all of these oils do not share similar base oil formulation. Driven is a MPAO, REDLINE is a majority POE(polyol Ester) and Amsoil is a PAO and slight (rumored) addition of POE or similar Ester. With most high VE (viscosity index) synthetic oils, it is vital to remember that they can behave in a bearing for example, much differently than their conventional counterparts of the same grade.

Seems like we are getting a bit over the edge, MPAO, POE, similar Ester. Do most people on here know what you are talking about with those terms. Basically what I thought I knew about base oils is they are made from natural gas, and go through clean up process' that at their best level would be eatable and go down from there. I thought some of the "better" name brands were a step below eatable and many of the other "lesser" brands were a step below that. Whether or not that is MPAO,POE,etc. I certainly don't know.

oil preference
 

Been reading with interest the diverse info in this thread and think oil is alot like Vodka and women. Each of us have criteria that makes sense to us when we select Oil, Vodka, and Women.

In my neck of the woods a few guys with long racing credentials in circle boats and circle track cars that others pay attention to are using Schaeffer 20/50.

I use it mainly because these guys say the formulation features zinc and a propietary moly that they say sets Schaeffer apart from others. Are they right I really don't know... but I am paying $12 a quart and I sometimes pay $32 for a fifth of Chopen Vodka; plus I have bought a $100 round of shots for a table full of hot women that did not even say thank you. Point is change your oil often, drink the Vodka you like, and if making a fool of yourself by buying drinks for women that could care less about you works for you..have at it.

<<Tell your BRO dallas I say hello! Next time you can address me by name. >>

not sure how I got dragged into this, I don't know 540Donzi from a can of paint. You either for that matter.

Have you ran that Improved-Racing T stat yet? Those are for cars (with air cooling, not water like a boat). I ran the 212 t stat all summer with average results, ALL T stats will bypass some oil and in my case I never see anything near 212 for that thing to operate correctly. The tech department sent me the new-updated one (the one in your pic) and I have had better results but certainly not getting to 212, EVER. I run a Mr Cool cooler. I'll see 180 ish on the gauge after flogging the bejesus out of it, and that temp is backed up more or less with a heat gun.

Makes sense. I noticed one of the things Driven was very excited about in one of their youtube videos, was the MPAO and how it can offer a viscosity of a 50 grade, but in a 40 grade. Just not sure why they suggested the 15w50 if that is the case. So far, they were the only one who asked what the bearing clearances were. Still no reply from Redline, Brad Penn, or Mobil yet.

It definitley appears that a modern quality synthetic 15w50, or 20w50, is a much better choice than a straight 50, if 50 grade is what one wants. Same for the 40, why run a straight 40, when you can run a 10w40, 15w40 quality synthetic. I can see where the guys who like straight weight oil like that their are no viscosity improvers to break down leaving them with a much lesser grade of oil after some time, but it appears that the oil makeups are great these days, and as long as its changed in a reasonable amount of time, it should not pose any problems. At least from the window Im looking thru at this point.

It's actually quite relevant to discuss base oils utilized, as they perform differently inside an engine viscosity wise. Esters are not "hydroprocessed" or derived in any way from a crude oil product. The oil types you have referenced above are GROUP III & III+ products. This is the reason for so much diversity in the recommendations Mild Thunder is getting back from tech. They consider all Performace aspects of their particular oil, not just one, for example winter viscosity rating. And it's worth noting that a synthetic winter rating of let's say 20, will always outperform a similar conventional/semi synthetic in cold starting cinditions.

Yes, straight weights do have that advantage, however if one were to spend a few more dollars on a stable multi viscosity synthetic, they would avoid the VII penalty and all those negative attributes, along with having an oil that flows really well in low to moderate ambient temperatures. The only way to do this with a straight weight is to warm the oil before starting the engine. They also don't contain detergents in the racing sraight weight viscosties, and friction modifiers, so frequent changes coupled with heating of the oil is mandatory.

Just a little more to confuse. the brand new Indmar new MARINE 6.2L, FORD RAPTOR engine with aluminum heads single overhead cam comes 3 ways but built all with the same foundation. Roush Racing, Ford and Indmar all team up to build this new Ford 6.2 - Raptor engine for the marine side.

They told me the Ford Marine 575 Indmar / Roush SC kills any of the Marine OEM GM LS for boat pulling power. Their words was destroys it and up till this point, Indmar was all GM LS based.

The 575 Roush Super Charged 6.2 Raptor uses 15w-50 motor oil full synthetic
The 440 - 6.2 Raptor uses 5w-30 motor oil semi synthetic
The 400 - 6.2 Raptor uses 5w-30 motor oil semi synthetic

oh forgot Borgie was MIA this whole afternoon as he was on Match.com and found him a pic. Don't wear it out tonite. Just messin with you.

I totally get what you are up to with the pic. Very funny as well. You should have put up some old hag with a saggy wewe

What are the opinions of oil additives such as MotorKote, Lucas & the likes?

looks like we can add borgie to the list of people with a hot chick on his avitar.kind of weird after he made fun of others for doing it but i get it.much better than an oil container!

yep,i still like the hot chick,s over the oil container.

yep,i still like the hot chick,s over the oil container.

Mike, I think it was in retaliation for this last night

This site is so screwed up!!!!! This posting time thing is getting annoying

Exactly but you got to give him credit pretty funny comeback. What comes around goes around. he is teasing back

I hear you about the posts getting jumbo up. Crazy

I vote for the chick on the puter back up rather than the your boat pic

:offtopic:

Funny Ok here is a oil info topic

Driven motor oil ( Mpao ) is made by www.synfluid.com in which is owned by Chevron Phillips.

Not to go into a huge discussion about this as Mpao compared to PAO is around 1.5 to 2.5 times stronger against higher temps also has very low foaming characteristics because of the ability offering rapid air release.

If you go to www.synfluid.com and up in the right corner type in Mpao to search and read all you want or not.

I have ton of info from one of the chemists at Chevron / Phillips - one of their employees is a member of our Marine Technicians group, it works for me because I have lead in at Chevron Phillips if I need to throw out tech questions.

The really funny part is it's my wife. People here who know me personally have met her. I don't copy and paste;)

BUP-
mOAO is a great base and imo mainly PAO based oils are kind of old technology. Wether mpao actually delivers inside a running engine vs POE? Well your guess is likely as good as mine. Each company will say it's product is superior. Data sheets are great, don't get me wrong, however you can fully appreciate that there is simtimes a huge disparity between what is promised and what is delivered.

BUP-
mPAO is a great base, and imo mainly PAO based oils are kind of old technology. Wether mpao actually delivers inside a running engine vs POE? Well your guess is likely as good as mine. Each company will say it's product is superior. Data sheets are great, don't get me wrong, however you can fully appreciate that there is somtimes a huge disparity between what is promised, and what is delivered.

Borgie is going to really like me now as he has a lot of reading to do from the www.sybfluid.com and searching Mpao.

Pink is breast cancer awareness clothing or I should say thong, t-back or dental floss. Right Mild T.

That information is about as basic as it comes. Doesn't bring light to the arguement regarding MPAO vs POE as I mentioned above. Again, a data sheet isn't the end all as you are well aware from testing oils with terry.

VR1 20-50, $6 a qt, nice

Wow this is still going on !! it's like fleas fighting over who owns the dog.

Next year I'm running olive oyl and eatin spinach! Or vica versa.
Seriously though, no oil will repair your engine, all we are looking for is to minimize the damage from running hard with short interval oil changes. And different builds will require different oil, way too much drama here.:nhl_fight:

With all this oil talk I thought ya know I'm just gonna roll with ol 3-1[ATTACH=CONFIG]531918[/ATTACH]