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ICDEDPPL 11-28-2014 12:18 PM

L19 for that motor is simply the wrong choice, everyone except you and some secret engineers knows this. I`m sorry I brought it up, you know best, everyone else is an idiot, I had forgeten that rule.:snide:
Maybe one day you will have an open mind.
Thats what makes a smart man, an open mind .... knowing that one does NOT know it all and someone who is willing to listen and learn. Mike is such a man even after all these years he is willing and open to other ideas.

Ive had many experiences working with Engineers, they think they know it all, Id rather listen to someone who has real life experiences than someone who is book smart.

I had one engineer that always thought he was smarter than me and one day came out of nowhere and stuck his hand in a 240v. disconnect box I was working on. I had a smile on my face for a week after he got the jolt of his life. Lucky he didn`t kill himself.

MER Performance 11-28-2014 12:27 PM

Why are you guys arguing about rod bolts and a oil pump thread?

SB 11-28-2014 12:31 PM

Thread is on page 6. Could have been derailed by 1st or 2nd page.

vintage chromoly 11-28-2014 12:33 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4226730)
L19 for that motor is simply the wrong choice, everyone except you and some secret engineers knows this. I`m sorry I brought it up, you know best, everyone else is an idiot, I had forgeten that rule.:snide:
Maybe one day you will have an open mind.
Thats what makes a smart man, an open mind .... knowing that one does NOT know it all and someone who is willing to listen and learn. Mike is such a man even after all these years he is willing and open to other ideas.

Ive had many experiences working with Engineers, they think they know it all, Id rather listen to someone who has real life experiences than someone who is book smart.

I had one engineer that always thought he was smarter than me and one day came out of nowhere and stuck his hand in a 240v. disconnect box I was working on. I had a smile on my face for a week after he got the jolt of his life. Lucky he didn`t kill himself.

Are you an electrician by trade IC?

Borgie 11-28-2014 12:34 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4226725)
Do you have any data from the engineers regarding the use of the L19 bolts?

I don't think Mike was trying to insult you with his post. I think he was questioning why you chose the parts you did. Of course you took offense as usual.

I do see Callies only offers the compstar rod with the L19 bolts. All other H beam rod manufactures do have bolt options, as well as oliver and their I beam rods. I know manley stopped offering the L19 bolts in their rods last year I think.

I know you may think Mike Tkach or myself are morons. Mike has probably a few dozen engines out there ranging from 500hp to 1200hp using all different kinds of rod bolts, and many melling pumps without failure.

I simply asked the limits of the 8740 bolts in a 900hp blown marine setup spinning 6k rpm.

Did I ever call you and Mike morons? I simply disagree with your "opinion", it's that simple. Yes in my discussions with callies they did provide some info and why they chose the L-19 for the BBC H beams.

Budman II 11-28-2014 12:36 PM


Originally Posted by Borgie (Post 4226715)
I can however tell it's cold in Chicago. Meanwhile it's 82 here in phoenix, have fun with that. ;)

Glad to hear it's nice and balmy out there in Phoenix. Get back to me this summer when it's 115* in the shade. Aren't you guys dealing with a record drought out there? I read an article recently that said this could be the beginning of an extended decades-long drought. Hope you don't end up having to drag your boat out to the Pacific Ocean to find navigable water in a couple of years! :p

Borgie 11-28-2014 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by vintage chromoly (Post 4226738)
Are you an electrician by trade IC?

He's now an engine builder. Hangs out with a couple of guys that actually build engines and now he's a resident EXPERT..... I'll be sure to tell the engineers and owner of Callies they don't know what they are talking about.

MER Performance 11-28-2014 12:38 PM

I have used 8740, L-19, ARP2000,ARP WSB, ARP 3.5. I have used plenty of L-19 with no problems, if you get water in the oil, yes it can be a issue if not caught, either way at that point you better tear it down. The 8740 isn't going to fail on a NA at 6000 RPMs and neither will a L-19.

vintage chromoly 11-28-2014 12:40 PM

I was only asking as I am a member of electricians local 38, Cleveland Ohio.
I wasn't trying to discredit the man.

Budman II 11-28-2014 12:40 PM


Originally Posted by Borgie (Post 4226739)
Did I ever call you and Mike morons? I simply disagree with your "opinion", it's that simple. Yes in my discussions with callies they did provide some info and why they chose the L-19 for the BBC H beams.

Hey Borg, not doubting your decision, and hoping I don't drag this subject any further off topic, but did you all discuss any concerns about moisture in the oil from condensation of leaks? Seems to me that a little bit of moisture from a pinhole leak from an intake gasket, head gasket, etc., could expose those bolts to moisture. Also saw that it was mentioned not to ever clean them with carb cleaner or something similar. Is ethanol a concern here? It's getting hard to avoid ethanol blends in fuels today unless you run racing fuel.

Just curious - not likely that I will ever have a need for L19's with my rig. Something to talk about on a bring day stuck at work. :)


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