The million dollar question
12-21-2014 | 07:53 AM
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My advice would be yank the motors, do them now, and forget about trying to get anything out of the seller. My reasoning is this: It is extremely disheartening to buy a boat, find it has a problem, feel screwed by the previous owner, and then try to bandaid or go light on the repair only to lose valuable boating time in the spring when you figure out there is more wrong.
Experiences like this can haunt your entire ownership experience and you or even worse your wife will end up hating the boat or even the idea of using it. Just bite the bullet and take it in the a$$ now and do everything right while you have the time. Sure the wallet gets hurt, but in the end you will end up happier and if you are like me you will forget quickly how much money you spent to fix it up.
Experiences like this can haunt your entire ownership experience and you or even worse your wife will end up hating the boat or even the idea of using it. Just bite the bullet and take it in the a$$ now and do everything right while you have the time. Sure the wallet gets hurt, but in the end you will end up happier and if you are like me you will forget quickly how much money you spent to fix it up.
12-21-2014 | 11:10 AM
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Not so fast:
"Implied Warranties
Most consumer purchases are covered by an implied warranty of merchantability, which means it is guaranteed to work as claimed. For instance, a vacuum cleaner that does not create enough suction to clean an average floor is in breach of the implied warranty of merchantability. Federal law defines "merchantable" by the following criteria:
They must conform to the standards of the trade as applicable to the contract for sale.
They must be fit for the purposes such goods are ordinarily used, even if the buyer ordered them for use otherwise.
They must be uniform as to quality and quantity, within tolerances of the contract for sale.
They must be packaged and labeled per the contract for sale.
They must meet the specifications on the package labels, even if not so specified by the contract for sale.
Even used goods are covered, although some states allow retailers of either used or new goods to invalidate the implied warranty by stating "sold as is."
If you don't write "as is" or "with all it's faults" on a bill of sale then you are leaving yourself wide open for liability.
"Implied Warranties
Most consumer purchases are covered by an implied warranty of merchantability, which means it is guaranteed to work as claimed. For instance, a vacuum cleaner that does not create enough suction to clean an average floor is in breach of the implied warranty of merchantability. Federal law defines "merchantable" by the following criteria:
They must conform to the standards of the trade as applicable to the contract for sale.
They must be fit for the purposes such goods are ordinarily used, even if the buyer ordered them for use otherwise.
They must be uniform as to quality and quantity, within tolerances of the contract for sale.
They must be packaged and labeled per the contract for sale.
They must meet the specifications on the package labels, even if not so specified by the contract for sale.
Even used goods are covered, although some states allow retailers of either used or new goods to invalidate the implied warranty by stating "sold as is."
If you don't write "as is" or "with all it's faults" on a bill of sale then you are leaving yourself wide open for liability.
12-21-2014 | 12:22 PM
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anything used is a "as is sale" for the most part,but if the seller knew the item he was selling had a major problem and he went out of his way to hide it then if you can prove it you might have a case..
about 10 years ago I bought a 10th Anniversary Trans Am over the internet as a as is and shown deal,when the car arrived it had a vibration at idle,,called the guy and he said he never had a problem with car,,next day when I drove the car and lifted up on the rack I could clearly see the oil pan had just been dropped ,once I took the engine apart I found #3 and #5 cylinders were bored .30 over while the remainder were stock..that by law is considered fraud..I did not even need a attorney ...he paid for the engine repairs because he went out his way to hide a known issue,
now if the engine spun a bearing or dropped a valve I would be on my own because according to the judge that is the chance we take when we buy used,,but its a different story if someone goes out of their way to cheat you.
12-21-2014 | 01:39 PM
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Yes, I meant if the seller purposely concealed a known problem and misrepresented the boat and did not write "as is" on the bill of sale. Two months later though all bets are pretty much off as there is really no way of knowing how much use the boat had or if it was properly winterized.
12-21-2014 | 08:38 PM
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Mike is right. Its unfortunate, but thats powerboating.
In this day and age, everyone thinks they are an engine builder. You see more half azz engine builds these days than ever. Guys who honestly have no business doing a tune up, let alone complete overhauls on the engines.
While I think that mercury may have left some things on the table when it comes to performance, at least when you buy a boat with stock merc engines, you know what you're getting. Once someone has been in them, I consider them in need of a rebuild. Then if they turn out ok, its a nice bonus.
If the heads are junk, I'd strongly recommend going thru the shortblocks as well at this time.
In this day and age, everyone thinks they are an engine builder. You see more half azz engine builds these days than ever. Guys who honestly have no business doing a tune up, let alone complete overhauls on the engines.
While I think that mercury may have left some things on the table when it comes to performance, at least when you buy a boat with stock merc engines, you know what you're getting. Once someone has been in them, I consider them in need of a rebuild. Then if they turn out ok, its a nice bonus.
If the heads are junk, I'd strongly recommend going thru the shortblocks as well at this time.
12-21-2014 | 08:45 PM
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Buying anything with an engine that cannot be quantified is a crapshoot. Anytime I buy used hotrod equipment, I assume I'll be going through it and if I can save some parts, I consider that a bonus.
I know that's of little help to you and I feel bad that this kind of stuff happens to good folks but, that's
How I look at used performance gear.
I know that's of little help to you and I feel bad that this kind of stuff happens to good folks but, that's
How I look at used performance gear.
