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Budman II 07-01-2015 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by Baja Rooster (Post 4324809)
It seems like I can't change a spark plug without pulling the center bench and back seat on my baja 272, and it's fairly generous with space, relatively.

I think that I read Livorsi is the only depth finder worth a dang in regards to the 2"/hockey puck style. No personal experience though.

Let's face it, working on boats is a b!tch! My back hurts just thinking about it.

The stock teleflex depth gauge that came on my 88 Baja still works fine - almost never loses a signal, even at speed. Buddy of mine has an 89 with the Lowrance version, and his works fine as well.

92nsx 07-03-2015 09:50 AM

Well I haven't got the bottom end apart, but removing the heads I found major problems!! The pistons!!! 2 of them are hammered to chit, and 2 more are cracked ready to fall apart in the same spot! The spot where the valve relief is cut into to the piston and the alum is thinner blew out form the top piston ring up!!! Also looks like #3 was running a little lean...

What causes this?

This is # 7
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psydmcisir.jpg

Head and valve look good

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psdngtjwjr.jpg

This is # 4

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...pshmwr7xse.jpg

Found the chunk that was bouncing around

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps2omqj1ry.jpg

Chamber has a couple small nicks

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...pskzbyjzib.jpg

Then here is #3 and #6, also cracked in the same spot ready to brake off. Weird thing is they are cracked exactly the same...

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psozzgvuxf.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psfj53flxc.jpg

This is the odd bank

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psw28tbldo.jpg

This is the even bank

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psokcnbmag.jpg


What the happened?

Black Baja 07-03-2015 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by 92nsx (Post 4325559)
Well I haven't got the bottom end apart, but removing the heads I found major problems!! The pistons!!! 2 of them are hammered to chit, and 2 more are cracked ready to fall apart in the same spot! The spot where the valve relief is cut into to the piston and the alum is thinner blew out form the top piston ring up!!! Also looks like #3 was running a little lean...

What causes this?

This is # 7
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psydmcisir.jpg

Head and valve look good

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psdngtjwjr.jpg

This is # 4

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...pshmwr7xse.jpg

Found the chunk that was bouncing around

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...ps2omqj1ry.jpg

Chamber has a couple small nicks

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...pskzbyjzib.jpg

Then here is #3 and #6, also cracked in the same spot ready to brake off. Weird thing is they are cracked exactly the same...

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psozzgvuxf.jpg

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psfj53flxc.jpg

This is the odd bank

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psw28tbldo.jpg

This is the even bank

http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/c...psokcnbmag.jpg


What the happened?

Ahhh. Refer to my post on the first page of the thread. I told you the plugs looked speckled. Others disagreed. You detonated the piss out of that motor.

Black Baja 07-03-2015 10:20 AM

I'm sure you hammered the Rod bearings out also.

SB 07-03-2015 10:37 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4325568)
Ahhh. Refer to my post on the first page of the thread. I told you the plugs looked speckled. Others disagreed. You detonated the piss out of that motor.

Just read the beginning of thread....well, you sure did.

You win the middle finger award: Hang it out to see and point it at whom you want.....LOL.

Black Baja 07-03-2015 11:08 AM


Originally Posted by SB (Post 4325577)
Just read the beginning of thread....well, you sure did.

You win the middle finger award: Hang it out to see and point it at whom you want.....LOL.

I don't need any awards. I personally feel bad for the guy. It sucks when your stuff blows up. It doesn't take much to make a motor go boom! That is constantly being ran like a car in 5th gear up a hill so steep that you can't see the road under you add to that A/C on max cool and i think you have the workings of a boat motor. Oh and you 350lb. gf in the seat next to you with her 250lb. gf in the back seat (that part is for you SB...)

SB 07-03-2015 11:39 AM

LOl. Wasn't talking about the OP. I feel bad for him too.

Some tuning/rigging/ or fuel injection issues going on here.

92nsx 07-03-2015 11:47 AM

Black Baja hit it on the head looking at the plugs a month ago! WOW! Good eyes.

What causes detonation? Timing was set when I redid the top end. 8 degrees at idle/1000. Used my scan tool to get it into the correct mode. Should the computer pick up knock and adjust timing according?

Still maybe timing off? Low octane gas (even to this engine is only 8.7:1) ?

When I put the new bottom end together (working on that today) I have a choice of 2 complete engines / electronics / computers, sensors. Anything I should or should not use? Maybe not use the old knock sensor?

Thank you for the help.

Black Baja 07-03-2015 12:14 PM


Originally Posted by 92nsx (Post 4325607)
Black Baja hit it on the head looking at the plugs a month ago! WOW! Good eyes.

What causes detonation? Timing was set when I redid the top end. 8 degrees at idle/1000. Used my scan tool to get it into the correct mode. Should the computer pick up knock and adjust timing according?

Still maybe timing off? Low octane gas (even to this engine is only 8.7:1) ?

When I put the new bottom end together (working on that today) I have a choice of 2 complete engines / electronics / computers, sensors. Anything I should or should not use? Maybe not use the old knock sensor?

Thank you for the help.

There are so many things that could have caused the detonation. I'm not saying it leaned out cause at this point the plugs have been idled on and the aren't going to tell you anything. But I'd have all the injectors gone through. Bench test your fuel pump. Make sure the fuel side is 110%. I wouldn't be afraid to do a fuel sample and have it analyzed. Put some fuel in a glass jar seal it and let it sit 2-3 days. Then inspect it for water.

dbkski 07-04-2015 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Black Baja (Post 4311465)
Plug to the right of the top left has some slight peppering on it. I'm gonna guess broken piston. Do a compression test on that (better yet all) cylinders. And or hammered Rod/main bearing.


Originally Posted by mike tkach (Post 4311468)
i knew if anyone could diagnose the problem by looking at the plugs it would be you,lol.

Yep! ;) ;)


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