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35fountain 08-27-2015 08:04 PM

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[ATTACH=CONFIG]544686[/ATTACH]I also have a puke tank on each engine with 2 hoses going to each tank. When i drain my starboard engine only a bit of water comes out. Nothing out of the other engine. Keeps the valve covers cleaner

ezstriper 08-28-2015 06:08 AM


Originally Posted by Cole2534 (Post 4348228)
So what you're seeing there is the vapor is swept from the valve covers at some velocity through the hoses and the speed keeps the water in vapor phase. Then the water suddenly slows as it reaches the puke tank, vapor condenses into droplets and falls out.

Add a baffle in there and you'll see even more fall out.

I work in the natural gas industry, this stuff is my bread and butter. :)

as the tanks are way above the engine, it allows the condensation to condense when it hits the "cool" tanks and is caught there..or at least thats my thought

ICDEDPPL 08-28-2015 08:11 AM

That`s interesting. I modifier my oil fills and ran the lines to the flame arrestor hoping to 'pull' some air out of there but I`m not sure how much if any vacuum I get.

http://33outlaw.zenfolio.com/img/s10...81746362-3.jpg


If I could pull some vacuum out of this ....


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SB 08-28-2015 08:17 AM

You are not really gonna pull much vacuum from flame arrestor. You would need PCV valves hooked to direct vacuum for that.

35fountain 08-28-2015 09:03 AM

I was told by Nickerson Performance never hook up a pcv valve to a marine motor unless you want to blow it up. Actually when i first got my boat there was one in each valve cover and a hose connecting to a vacuum port underneath each carb. I did remove them when Nickerson built me carbs and flowed them to my engine specs. I really don't understand why a pcv valve would do harm to a marine engine unless pulling unburned fumes and moisture back into the intake to get re-burned could lean out the mixture.

Baja Rooster 08-28-2015 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by 35fountain (Post 4348370)
I was told by Nickerson Performance never hook up a pcv valve to a marine motor unless you want to blow it up. Actually when i first got my boat there was one in each valve cover and a hose connecting to a vacuum port underneath each carb. I did remove them when Nickerson built me carbs and flowed them to my engine specs. I really don't understand why a pcv valve would do harm to a marine engine unless pulling unburned fumes and moisture back into the intake to get re-burned could lean out the mixture.

I'd like a little elaboration on that as well.

SB 08-28-2015 09:33 AM

Oil in the combustion chamber can cause detonation.

That said, Hp500 and other motors use an actual PCV valve, not just an open vent off valve covers routed to flame arrestor.

apollard 08-28-2015 10:48 AM

That's one of those blanket statements that are meaningless - and not supported by reality (Merc uses them, every heavy duty truck, etc). Could you blow up an engine from drawing oil in the cylinders? Yes if you stuck the valve in a valve cover with no baffle. If done correctly, the amount of oil drawn in will be insignificant. The valve covers used on most of merc engines are GM parts already setup with baffles in them for PCV.

I modified my engine to use a PCV - same part and arrangement as HP500s. Properly setup, it doesn't lose much oil to the intake. I set it up to eliminate the oil/engine smell after a hard run, a bonus is the occasional condensation is gone, and so is the water in the oil analysis.

35fountain 08-29-2015 04:25 PM

2nd Update
 
With the water dumps closed off Water pressure 14-17lbs oil temps 220-225 @ 3200 rpms.Port engine Starboard engine same water pressure oil temps 215-220@ 3200 rpms.. and will the water dumps open 11-14lbs water pressure 215-220 @ 3200 rpms. port..Starboard 210-215 WOT 2 minutes oil temp got no higher than 230 Readings are before the cooler in oil filter housing. So the oil temps got a little better not as much as I expected especially after seeing those coolers so clogged. The water dumps definitely helped. As the water temp in the river cools off I'm sure they will drop more
Thanks again for all the help

242LS 08-29-2015 06:16 PM

I agree that could be it, but I chased a similar problem for two summers. Here are what I discovered....

1) my guage (Gaffrig) was mismatched with the sending unit. Apparently different ohms which caused the temp to read 2x actual.

One problem is never enough, so...

2) suspected bad oil thermostat. One attempt to fix, I pulled the thermostat to force it to flow through the cooler all the time. No fix. Later, we took apart the thermostat/mount housing and figured out the thermostat behaved the OPPOSITE of a water thermostat, so removing it meant never running through the cooler! Turned out to be s bad thermostat and now all is good.


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