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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4366782)
I also checked them myself with a pin gauge and came up with same readings, my buddy owns a machine shop and let me have his set to check for myself, but I am wrong having 2 devices saying the same thing....
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Not sure I ever got it all my talking a was over the phone with afr, I am not sure about you but I trust what I see with y own eyes not what someone can makenitbeajt they want... I am not sure if that happens or not there but I KNOW what my eyes saw... And have video proof... Not an email paper typed by some guy.
Oh that's right I forgot there is no way anyone can possibly be wrong but me, I am the only person to ever have any issue whatsoever with any heads.... My story is all made up out of the sky.
Originally Posted by Black Baja
(Post 4366803)
Can you post AFR's inspection report?
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Originally Posted by Black Baja
(Post 4366803)
Can you post AFR's inspection report?
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4366805)
Not sure I ever got it all my talking a was over the phone with afr, I am not sure about you but I trust what I see with y own eyes not what someone can makenitbeajt they want... I am not sure if that happens or not there but I KNOW what my eyes saw... And have video proof... Not an email paper typed by some guy.
Oh that's right I forgot there is no way anyone can possibly be wrong but me, I am the only person to ever have any issue whatsoever with any heads.... My story is all made up out of the sky. |
Well the whole truth has been said many times, I just searched email the only ones from afr are Jeremy with sending my head... That's it. I talked to Tim about results on phone he said they measures within spec .0013-.0014 according to his info still too tight for marine use in cold water, you know the lifter was the actual cause with the heads right behind it, I had metal transfer and I have pictures of every little thing that happened and posted many times you wanna sit here and keep telling me bob is right and afr is perfect and I am stupid and cannot do things right.... You keep bashing on me you know the answers so give it up.... Only reason my situation is still discussed is because of you and brian. You can bash me, tell people the lies, what bob says, what brian says... I really don't care... I know what happened, I know what I was told, I know what I did to make it right... If I sucked that bad would I have been boating every weekend? Nope.... I am not the idiot you really want me to be... You know for a fact that's true..
Fact is the heads were sold as marine ready bolt on and go, FACT is that's not the case ... Me being my own builder should have been advised by Bob to have them taken apart and checked especially not being a builder by trade, that did not happen... I already had heads that were all fresh I was led to think these would be a much better choice... That's not the case... I think afr is a great head, but next time I will have them sent bare and should them to know exactly what I got. That goes for any brand.
Originally Posted by Black Baja
(Post 4366823)
Well I just figured if there was some type of e-mail AFR sent you as to cause of failure then maybe it would shed some more light on the cause of your failure.Because it this point it's not clear. Atleast to me me and I'm sure others. Was it the Valve, lifter or something else? I'd really like to know the "whole" truth in the matter.
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Its pretty simple guys. When purchasing a set of aftermarket heads things have to be addressed to use in a marine application. Its our responsibility as engine builders to make sure the parts are set up for our application. Unfortunately it seems that the aftermarket has lost some of there quality control and i believe its directly related to the foreign market trying to cut the prices. What it boils down to is when we purchase a set of heads for a build we go threw every single detail to make sure the heads will work good for its intended purpose unfortunately sometimes that means re machining to meet our standards. I haven't seen a set come in that hasn't needed something done to them in a LONG LONG time.
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True, wish I knew that before I was sold bolt on heads for a boat engine.... Now I know ...
Originally Posted by IRWIN
(Post 4366832)
Its pretty simple guys. When purchasing a set of aftermarket heads things have to be addressed to use in a marine application. Its our responsibility as engine builders to make sure the parts are set up for our application. Unfortunately it seems that the aftermarket has lost some of there quality control and i believe its directly related to the foreign market trying to cut the prices. What it boils down to is when we purchase a set of heads for a build we go threw every single detail to make sure the heads will work good for its intended purpose unfortunately sometimes that means re machining to meet our standards. I haven't seen a set come in that hasn't needed something done to them in a LONG LONG time.
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Unfortunately we see this all the time.
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Originally Posted by IRWIN
(Post 4366832)
Its pretty simple guys. When purchasing a set of aftermarket heads things have to be addressed to use in a marine application. Its our responsibility as engine builders to make sure the parts are set up for our application. Unfortunately it seems that the aftermarket has lost some of there quality control and i believe its directly related to the foreign market trying to cut the prices. What it boils down to is when we purchase a set of heads for a build we go threw every single detail to make sure the heads will work good for its intended purpose unfortunately sometimes that means re machining to meet our standards. I haven't seen a set come in that hasn't needed something done to them in a LONG LONG time.
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If I was told otherwise when ordering I would have asked my machinist what the better way is he would have said bare and I will build them... But I was not told to have them checked
Originally Posted by IRWIN
(Post 4366838)
Unfortunately we see this all the time.
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4366831)
Well the whole truth has been said many times, I just searched email the only ones from afr are Jeremy with sending my head... That's it. I talked to Tim about results on phone he said they measures within spec .0013-.0014 according to his info still too tight for marine use in cold water, you know the lifter was the actual cause with the heads right behind it, I had metal transfer and I have pictures of every little thing that happened and posted many times you wanna sit here and keep telling me bob is right and afr is perfect and I am stupid and cannot do things right.... You keep bashing on me you know the answers so give it up.... Only reason my situation is still discussed is because of you and brian. You can bash me, tell people the lies, what bob says, what brian says... I really don't care... I know what happened, I know what I was told, I know what I did to make it right... If I sucked that bad would I have been boating every weekend? Nope.... I am not the idiot you really want me to be... You know for a fact that's true..
Fact is the heads were sold as marine ready bolt on and go, FACT is that's not the case ... Me being my own builder should have been advised by Bob to have them taken apart and checked especially not being a builder by trade, that did not happen... I already had heads that were all fresh I was led to think these would be a much better choice... That's not the case... I think afr is a great head, but next time I will have them sent bare and should them to know exactly what I got. That goes for any brand. |
Originally Posted by Black Baja
(Post 4366862)
So basically what I got out of all this was the lifter was the smoking gun?
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Well I have a new set of small block afr heads at home. Already on the short block but I'm going to waste the gasket pull one off and rip it apart. I'll start a new thread sometime next week with EXACTLY what I find no cover ups or agenda.
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Originally Posted by kvogt
(Post 4366772)
Looks like the customer support from your vendor was lacking. You would hope your vendor would help you (first) get to an actual root cause then look at who is responsible.
Fact check. The call tags were issued from AFR and Johnson within 24 hrs of our notification. The damaged cylinder heads was not shipped back to AFR until after the new casting and parts were in transit to Tim. |
I never said bob didn't try to help and make it right that's not what I HAd issues with, it was other things I am not gonna keep going on and on about it all the bs with that is in my own thread, and for the record again if black Baja and brian didn't keep pushing issues and lies out to Oso I would have never said another word about my situation and how things happened, I will however defend myself when called out. I keep trying to drop the issue and never make the first stab, just reply with what happened this have obviously been told to others that are just not true.
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Originally Posted by 14 apache
(Post 4366713)
Have you used any brodix heads in the past on a high end build? Just wondering.
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I always get my heads bare and finish them in house... it`s the only way IMPO that one can be certain it`s ``right``
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