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Don't waste your time with this clown zone.
The guy doesn't even build his own stuff. :lolhit: The truly ironic part of his 6 month long butt hurt is that, just last year, he would regurgitate info he got from bob as "good tech" and now HE has a new "hero" because bob disagreed with some of what he read somewhere, told him so, and shattered his glass ego. :hitfan: priceless! |
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Originally Posted by vintage chromoly
(Post 4376116)
Don't waste your time with this clown zone.
The guy doesn't even build his own stuff. :lolhit: The truly ironic part of his 6 month long butt hurt is that, just last year, he would regurgitate info he got from bob as "good tech" and now HE has a new "hero" because bob disagreed with some of what he read somewhere, told him so, and shattered his glass ego. :hitfan: priceless! A guy who has yet to hit the water with his 24ft'er he bought, or complete his first marine engine build, and tells everyone to go to his "carb guy", because he did such a good job on his carb for this offshore vessel. Please, lets all listen to you're advice, on how to dial in a 40ft offshore boat ...you have such vast experience! And I don't work on my own stuff? Who's pot you been smoking???!!! Wait wait.....here come the truck driver insults..... |
Originally Posted by Zone 5
(Post 4376102)
This is OSO, not a drag race forum
Originally Posted by Zone 5
(Post 4376102)
Yup, its called free advertising. post the same garbage over and over and soon it becomes "fact". You can not tell anything from a picture of a ported head. Even flow bench numbers mean nothing. Anyone can hog out a port and get huge numbers.
Originally Posted by Zone 5
(Post 4376102)
My "hero" LOL. I didn't know I had a hero, so thanks for telling me, I have to "assume" that you are talking about who built my engine. He is not in business to try and sell you parts like straub and steel chump. There is no such thing as the perfect part for an engine. There are 1000 variables. So to tell you to use brand Z, could be totally wrong. Just as if you asked me what jets I use in an 850 Holley. No matter what I tell you, its going to most likely be wrong depending on your application. And "my hero" doesn't need any defending. He can take care of himself. As I have posted before, he built my 509 that never saw below 5500 RPM for 7 years, and never had anything except oil changes in that time.
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Originally Posted by Zone 5
(Post 4376102)
About the only part you got right. My cats can build a BB and get more HP out of it than stock. and do it without a 20% correction dyno.
Originally Posted by Zone 5
(Post 4376102)
Lots of people on OSO have an opinion. all negative. you and your chicago buddies seem to be the only ones drinking the kool-aid. Do some homework on straub and wet exhaust. Then do some homework on steelchump and what his drywall background was. Then ask yourself why they use cam profiles that every experienced engine builder says can't work and claim stupid amounts of HP with. Its a huge game of smoke and mirrors. But hey, if you like the taste of the koolaid, have at it.
Here's how I see this. You and a few of your longtime buddies from the interweb, mainly boatfreaks.org, have some kind of vendetta with Chris and Foxwell. Thats your issues, and maybe warranted. However, its tiresome, watching you guys pop out of the woodwork, every single time theres a post from him, or along the lines of something that may not be in your parties best interest. I've read plenty of foxwells posts on other forums, and while certainly no expert, I can tell who knows some stuff, and who doesnt. I certainly don't feel, that him being an oso member, is going to be a burden on other oso members looking for advice. So, while you want to run him off this site, bring something good at least. If he posts up garbage, call him out on it, and back it up with hard facts. I'm not talking about what he posted 10 years ago on some other forum. I know some guys who 10 years ago, were were freshmen in college, and couldn't build a go kart engine, and today, are building/tuning 2000HP engines. We are all learning something new everyday. If we werent', we'd all still be impressed about a 5500RPM 509 engine making 600hp. As far as who's drinking what kool aid, I can assure you, it goes much further than "chicago". But, we will never see that, because those threads get deleted around here. |
Yes what you do for a living has all to do with building engines... Like my best bud... Fastest 353 known...107 mph.... He's a cable guy.... Engines well over 800 hp that get beat for years... Runs every weekend... So throw that chit out the window.... My buddy Bill.... Works for a beer company... One of the best local builders around from his garage...
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4376135)
You know who the guys are that are always crying about "correction factors"?? Those are the guys, who usually built engines of similar components, and didn't make the power number the other guy did. So they start talking about "correction factors" and "glory pulls".
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Originally Posted by Full Force
(Post 4376140)
Yes what you do for a living has all to do with building engines... Like my best bud... Fastest 353 known...107 mph.... He's a cable guy.... Engines well over 800 hp that get beat for years... Runs every weekend... So throw that chit out the window.... My buddy Bill.... Works for a beer company... One of the best local builders around from his garage...
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Originally Posted by sutphen 30
(Post 4376141)
so you really believe a 540 w/ a 240/248 duration cam makes 700+hp,,you sir are a fool and anyone else that falls for it.keep drinking the cool aid.
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Originally Posted by vintage chromoly
(Post 4376116)
Don't waste your time with this clown zone.
The guy doesn't even build his own stuff. :lolhit: The truly ironic part of his 6 month long butt hurt is that, just last year, he would regurgitate info he got from bob as "good tech" and now HE has a new "hero" because bob disagreed with some of what he read somewhere, told him so, and shattered his glass ego. :hitfan: priceless! |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4376143)
I guess i must be a fool.
Btw, full force tim, what are the cam specs in your 540s? |
Originally Posted by sutphen 30
(Post 4376147)
there you go.
What cam would you recommend in a 6,000rpm marine hyd roller engine ? |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4376148)
So 650hp 540 with a 236/244 hydraulic cam is kool aid as well sutphen?
What cam would you recommend in a 6,000rpm marine hyd roller engine ? but I too call bullet and get cams but I don't say I designed it. and I've built the engines,why don't you tell us your great fantasy pick w/ magical upping the hp bar that seems to come from the 3 amigos. maybe the next time I dyno,I'll use 10/40 oil and run the water temp close to 200°.oh and have 10-20% correction.I'll also leave out the fuel flow rate as I don't want you guys doing basic math to catch the major fudge factor. |
Originally Posted by sutphen 30
(Post 4376152)
one thats normal and not some abomination that your buddies like.
but I too call bullet and get cams but I don't say I designed it. and I've built the engines,why don't you tell us your great fantasy pick w/ magical upping the hp bar that seems to come from the 3 amigos. maybe the next time I dyno,I'll use 10/40 oil and run the water temp close to 200°.oh and have 10-20% correction.I'll also leave out the fuel flow rate as I don't want you guys doing basic math to catch the major fudge factor. From an outsider looking in, they seem to sell alot of stuff to drag racers, with good feedback. They provided the cam, and a few other things for offshorexcursions 6k rpm 750hp 572's. Which I know for a fact, were not "dyno fudged" . They had no reason to "fudge" numbers, as matter of fact, they were trying to see who knows setups, as at the same time, they had these 572's, and a pair of 572's with bob's cams. I know I know, everyones dyno numbers are lies...you've told me several times the DTS dyno we use at our local shop, is "happy", we are all lying, and if anyone wants accurate numbers, they should just go to coughlin machine.... |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4376003)
You're just an idiot, and so is Chris Straub. That combo you guys did for offshoreexcursions hyd roller 572ci's, making 750HP at 5900RPM, thru 1 7/8 primary CMI headers, and around 800hp with 2.25 dyno headers, with less than 10:1 compression, that run fantastic in his 36 gladiator, just a real turd. :rolleyes: Oh, and the parts that were purchased, sent in for machine work, and overall time from first phone call to delivered components, was very reasonable.....but, some guys don't like you, so you suck.
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Originally Posted by articfriends
(Post 4376168)
So whos dyno did it make 800 hp on? Im good friends with john teenier and we talk regularly.
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Yep, i will give kevin this, johns dyno is known to post lower numbers than most.
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Originally Posted by articfriends
(Post 4376170)
Yep, i will give kevin this, johns dyno is known to post lower numbers than most.
From what i read here, being a straub cam, i would have thought 475hp at 8500rpm and reverted so bad it would suck the rear cleats right off the boat |
Right, dynoed with his tractor headers in the 730s, 740s with inserts out and low to mid 750s with the cmis, theoretically might have made bigger numbers with 2.25 dyno headers but i was told by john that never happened.
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Originally Posted by articfriends
(Post 4376176)
Right, dynoed with his tractor headers in the 730s, 740s with inserts out and low to mid 750s with the cmis, theoretically might have made bigger numbers with 2.25 dyno headers but i was told by john that never happened.
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4376003)
You're just an idiot, and so is Chris Straub.
offshoreexcursions hyd roller 572ci's, making 750HP at 5900RPM, thru 1 7/8 primary CMI headers, and around 800hp with 2.25 dyno headers, )
Originally Posted by articfriends
(Post 4376176)
, theoretically might have made bigger numbers with 2.25 dyno headers but i was told by john that never happened.
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4376180)
Now how about those crockett built 509s he had with 274ish duration supercat cams, with flat top pistons and ported chamber brodix heads netting sub 9:1 compression....that was a nice combo.
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Originally Posted by articfriends
(Post 4376192)
Never heard his exact old combo except that it had giant race cams with low compression, sounds like a mess, never heard who built them, i know they didnt last long!
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Originally Posted by sutphen 30
(Post 4376186)
well at least you got 1 thing right and caught in another stretching of the truth.
What was the correction factor on those 500hp 502s you built that blew up? |
Originally Posted by sutphen 30
(Post 4376152)
one thats normal and not some abomination that your buddies like.
but I too call bullet and get cams but I don't say I designed it. and I've built the engines,why don't you tell us your great fantasy pick w/ magical upping the hp bar that seems to come from the 3 amigos. maybe the next time I dyno,I'll use 10/40 oil and run the water temp close to 200°.oh and have 10-20% correction.I'll also leave out the fuel flow rate as I don't want you guys doing basic math to catch the major fudge factor. |
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These are my 572's built in 2009 with hyd roller, 1 7/8 primary headers after over 200 hours run time in 2 different boats. We fuel injected them last year and re-dyoed them. Carbureted they made corrected 779 HP and 720 TQ. I have seen straubs sheets with over 100 HP corrected #'s. I usually only get about 20-30 HP corrections unless there is a rain cloud in the cell and we take it to Denver. I am not saying this happened with the current 572's you are talking about but 750 HP out of a 572 happened a decade ago so thats nothing to brag about. I am currently taking away HP and adding TQ to turn bigger wheels in my Nor-tech to lower the RPM's for a 100-110 MPH cruise speed.I also have a DTS dyno with a factory speced cell that maintains a water vacuum of 1", I loses a bit of HP by causing a vacuum in the cell but it is very repeatable.
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241/246 I was told 700+ hp we will find out sometime this winter I hope
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4376143)
I guess i must be a fool.
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I will add I had zero emgine issues since I fixed some key issues...
Originally Posted by sutphen 30
(Post 4376142)
and in the end,If you follow the steps and have the proper machine work,,its not rocket science.and your buddy w/ the fast tech is doing great.we're at 112mph in a 382 and never get a good day to let it rip.
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So about these 310cc heads...:lolhit:
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Originally Posted by brian41
(Post 4376207)
These are my 572's built in 2009 with hyd roller, 1 7/8 primary headers after over 200 hours run time in 2 different boats. We fuel injected them last year and re-dyoed them. Carbureted they made corrected 779 HP and 720 TQ. I have seen straubs sheets with over 100 HP corrected #'s. I usually only get about 20-30 HP corrections unless there is a rain cloud in the cell and we take it to Denver. I am not saying this happened with the current 572's you are talking about but 750 HP out of a 572 happened a decade ago so thats nothing to brag about. I am currently taking away HP and adding TQ to turn bigger wheels in my Nor-tech to lower the RPM's for a 100-110 MPH cruise speed.I also have a DTS dyno with a factory speced cell that maintains a water vacuum of 1", I loses a bit of HP by causing a vacuum in the cell but it is very repeatable.
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Originally Posted by articfriends
(Post 4376176)
Right, dynoed with his tractor headers in the 730s, 740s with inserts out and low to mid 750s with the cmis, theoretically might have made bigger numbers with 2.25 dyno headers but i was told by john that never happened.
Originally Posted by articfriends
(Post 4376170)
Yep, i will give kevin this, johns dyno is known to post lower numbers than most.
Please don't spread misinformation about my build details or dyno numbers though. I don't come on here telling people about how you called me pissed at Bob for selling you junk pistons where the coating came off, or wasting your time and money sending your heads to mamo, etc. etc. Instead I actually called Bob (while we were on good terms still) and smoothed things over between you two. I also haven't shared how many times you have rebuilt your 99mph Baja's engine over the years, how the pistons were contacting the heads, or how your dyno numbers were all over the place. Sorry not impressed with your engine that cruises effortless at 60mph since the hull cant handle real offshore conditions. Maybe that's impressive over on calm water scream and fly but this is Offshore Only, not short speed bursts until the hull runs out. In reality your build info is interesting at best to this site for many reasons including how easy its used and how the full truth has not been shared. No hard feelings though bud! :D Your welcome for all the guidance I have given you. Glad to help you find that sweet Scarab! Looking forward to running together this summer now that you can hang a little in the big water! When it comes to my engines. They were pulled many times on the dyno with multiple variations. The numbers I share on this site are for the tune and combo actually in the boat. No reason to waste time discussing how much more power they will make with good 1 7/8ths headers(since they made MORE power on 1 7/8th CMI, 768hp 6100 735lb/ft 4700 with flame arrestors), obviously would also on big tube headers, or with the air cleaners off, etc. Pretty sure we all can agree that there are ways to make higher numbers on the dyno. What we found is MY tractor pipes are JUNK. The flange holes were drilled wrong increasing the already bad port alignment. They have small 1 7/8th primary tubes, wrong primary lengths, to small and to short of collectors, and muffler inserts in the tips that we ended up removing. So with MY junk tractor pipes, my air cleaners, etc. The way the engines are currently IN the boat, we made (on a conservative DPAC Dyno) HP 751 5900 753 6000 752 6200 TQ 731 4600 732 4900 728 5000 Impressive is Straub and Foxwell planned them to peak at 6000 which they did. But these keyboard cowboys don't have to believe my info, pics, or badass videos Kristy and I share. They are to busy pretending to be offshore powerboaters. I welcome all to come have a great time on the water with us! Because there's not one person who has actually run a poker run or fun run with myself, Joe, Dan, or Tim that can say a bad word about our boats, engines, or camaraderie out on the lake! |
Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4376135)
I haven't seen a post from horsepower1, related to advising someone of what works in drag racing, to work in offshore. I know plenty of builders who can build both.
Now you're a cylinder head expert? lol Actually, why don't you tell curtis boggs or darrin morgan, to stop posting pictures of work they have done on cylinder heads....throw those flow benches away! Wow. A 509ci turning 5500 rpm....state of the art man. What was that, 600HP? Its 2015, if a guy who claims to be an expert offshore engine builder, can't keep a 600hp 509 together, he shouldn't be building any engines You know who the guys are that are always crying about "correction factors"?? Those are the guys, who usually built engines of similar components, and didn't make the power number the other guy did. So they start talking about "correction factors" and "glory pulls". Here's how I see this. You and a few of your longtime buddies from the interweb, mainly boatfreaks.org, have some kind of vendetta with Chris and Foxwell. Thats your issues, and maybe warranted. As far as who's drinking what kool aid, I can assure you, it goes much further than "chicago". But, we will never see that, because those threads get deleted around here. |
Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL
(Post 4376150)
I almost spit out my morning Mocha!! What are you going to try to tell us next ? McDonalds isnt in business to sell fast food? LMAO!!
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4376161)
From an outsider looking in, they seem to sell alot of stuff to drag racers, with good feedback. They provided the cam, and a few other things for offshorexcursions 6k rpm 750hp 572's. Which I know for a fact, were not "dyno fudged" .
For a fact you know the dyno wasn't "fudged". LMAO. There are a 1000 ways to change dyno numbers Unless you work for Superflo, you have no idea if that dyno was acurate or not. |
Originally Posted by offshorexcursion
(Post 4376236)
Thanks for sharing that you agree my engines were run on a conservative dyno
Please don't spread misinformation about my build details or dyno numbers though. I don't come on here telling people about how you called me pissed at Bob for selling you junk pistons where the coating came off, or wasting your time and money sending your heads to mamo, etc. etc. Instead I actually called Bob (while we were on good terms still) and smoothed things over between you two. I also haven't shared how many times you have rebuilt your 99mph Baja's engine over the years, how the pistons were contacting the heads, or how your dyno numbers were all over the place. Sorry not impressed with your engine that cruises effortless at 60mph since the hull cant handle real offshore conditions. Maybe that's impressive over on calm water scream and fly but this is Offshore Only, not short speed bursts until the hull runs out. In reality your build info is interesting at best to this site for many reasons including how easy its used and how the full truth has not been shared. No hard feelings though bud! :D Your welcome for all the guidance I have given you. Glad to help you find that sweet Scarab! Looking forward to running together this summer now that you can hang a little in the big water! 6 When it comes to my engines. They were pulled many times on the dyno with multiple variations. The numbers I share on this site are for the tune and combo actually in the boat. No reason to waste time discussing how much more power they will make with good 1 7/8ths headers(since they made MORE power on 1 7/8th CMI, 768hp 6100 735lb/ft 4700 with flame arrestors), obviously would also on big tube headers, or with the air cleaners off, etc. Pretty sure we all can agree that there are ways to make higher numbers on the dyno. What we found is MY tractor pipes are JUNK. The flange holes were drilled wrong increasing the already bad port alignment. They have small 1 7/8th primary tubes, wrong primary lengths, to small and to short of collectors, and muffler inserts in the tips that we ended up removing. So with MY junk tractor pipes, my air cleaners, etc. The way the engines are currently IN the boat, we made (on a conservative DPAC Dyno) HP 751 5900 753 6000 752 6200 TQ 731 4600 732 4900 728 5000 Impressive is Straub and Foxwell planned them to peak at 6000 which they did. But these keyboard cowboys don't have to believe my info, pics, or badass videos Kristy and I share. They are to busy pretending to be offshore powerboaters. I welcome all to come have a great time on the water with us! Because there's not one person who has actually run a poker run or fun run with myself, Joe, Dan, or Tim that can say a bad word about our boats, engines, or camaraderie out on the lake! |
As far as rebuild intervals, its also no secret i go in motor every 100 hours, never came out of boat broken or blown up, pulled it early last time becaise my annual leakdowm numbers were higher than id like to see, again .042 piston to deck, contacted lightly and knocked ring seal out early.
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Tight quench is the way to go on a 14lb boost blower engine :picard1:
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LOL- Zone 5 don't waste your time with the clown show that this Q&A section has become due to a few loud mouths. As soon as you disagree with anything said by them its game on- full attack. As to Straub- that guy is an idiot. I talked to him on an engine build I was doing a while ago and the direction he wanted me to go was laughable. I'm glad it worked out for Kevin, but he is one of the rare ones.
Wasn't this post about some 310 heads? Bigboat28, if you have a question about stuff find a local builder and have them help you. In Ohio you have Gellner who is well respected. The guy that I have used, that is top notch with marine engines is Dave @ Wesco Racing in Jenison Michigan. You used to be able to come on here and have fun discussing things. Now its all controlled by the god of thunder and it you disagree with anything he posts lightning will strike you down! :violent040: |
I quit smoking cigarettes 3 years ago (put me in fat guy category adding 40+ lbs)...........going to lose some weight and do some cig smoking next summer (my main cig will be a loud 36 with a chick driving). maybe I can be an "offshore" expert like kev......sorry I mean Kristy.
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Originally Posted by brian41
(Post 4376254)
I quit smoking cigarettes 3 years ago (put me in fat guy category adding 40+ lbs)...........going to lose some weight and do some cig smoking next summer (my main cig will be a loud 36 with a chick driving). maybe I can be an "offshore" expert like kev......sorry I mean Kristy.
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She's a bit thin for my taste and I can chit in an inclosed head, sleep in a cabin, hang out on swim platform and can smoke a 36 cig in my bigger, heavier boat with 572 aspirated engines.............stroke to that!
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Originally Posted by brian41
(Post 4376259)
She's a bit thin for my taste and I can chit in an inclosed head, sleep in a cabin, hang out on swim platform and can smoke a 36 cig in my bigger, heavier boat with 572 aspirated engines.............stroke to that!
Glad I'm secure with myself and my boat and not be a chit slinger like yourself. BTW, I do all the stuff you mentioned too except the 36 Cigs I smoke are of the 70s/80s vintage. :coolcowboy: All BS aside, those 36 Nortechs are sweet boats and I'd love to have one. |
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