I can think of one....

Bbbbb back up for a second here, you have stated to building many car engines, last winter you assembled you're engines apparently missing a couple critical steps and they chit on you.
Well that just sucks but you seemed to think everyone was to blame but you.maybe there are some secrets that a few builds teach you. Now you know and so do many others,education is rarely cheap.

I knew MARINE engines needed looser lifter bore and guide clearances BEFORE I built my engines, I was sold heads that were MARINE ready (not) and measured lifter bores and told OK on the numbers, we don't need to hash this out AGAIN.......and AGAIN.... the engines I built last time were warmed up 454's that went years with zero issues.... I addressed and was advised wrong.... simple as that..

Did these people appoint you to defend them????

They all seem to know how to post in a professional manner themselves if they choose to.
I highly doubt they would be any less professional.

Ff, I really don't know a thing about you, but You bring it up like clockwork on any thread it's mildly relevant. Let it go as you've stated you boated all summer.

I only bring it up in defense.... you didn't have to post what you did..

Have I fugged chit, yup. Just got to learn and move on. No bashing intended, as theres plenty already.

Does anyone know where they put the tech section?

LOL. now you are up to mufflers on dry pipes? please, try again. Key word in your lame excuse is CLOSED. what happens when you open them to run the boat? Oh yea, you make about 130dB. Thats an escort off the lake here, and a huge noise ticket.

your new heros straub and Foxwell don't have boats and have never had offshore boats. What does that have to do with anything?

My tailpipes have water dumps at the ends of them (as most "dry" tails do). Water introduces there. When installing a muffler, the water keeps the muffler cool. Youbcan run full time mufflers this way, muffler inserts, turndowns, or , switchable mufflers.

You think guys running around with 800,900,1000 plus hp engines, are running 222/226 cams and wet merc manifolds ???

Where did I say I was "great? or are you just like seedeadpeople and thunder, who when you have no brillant thing to say you try to baffle with BS?


If you really think that some clowns from a bunch of car sites where they have built their business by sucking people in with cheap prioces on parts know how to build a marine engine, you are sadely mistaken.

and try and read what I wrote about car guys building marine. It was covered a bunch of posts ago. In case you can't scroll back I said sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. The vast majority of messed of boat engines that I have had to fix were done by car builders that "thought" they could do marine. The marine ones are usually build mistakes not parts mistakes.

and none of you will pass 90db noise

Ever heard of gibson turndowns, or custom made turndowns ?

A 24 baja with a 330 merc and wet thru hull exhaust wont pass 90db either.

Keep trying to discredit me, youre doing great

Try and READ the exact post I made. don't take a little piece because it doesn't fit your agenda.

So Dale, you get the info needed? lol

they fail. It all fails unless you have FULL TIME mufflers. look up NY noise laws. With silent thunder and mufflers my "litttle" 637 509 made right at 90dB.

we are not in NY.....

My agenda ? Lol. I was here as usual, trying to participate in a technical discussion, and once again, you and your buddies came in slamming horsepower1. i am not a sheep, and therefore, disputed your feeble attempts at discrediting him.

If youre so concerned about the well being of oso, how about ponying up a few bucks and become a paying member

No kidding. but I was told to get dry pipes. I'm showing why it doesn't work here.

A new record. it took 139 posts for you to try this. If you want to pay IB money, go for it.

So, the 310's should work good on Dales 540's if he goes that route it seems... lol

You obviously dont understand that dry jacketed tails , can be muffled in many ways.

Lets move on, you failed this course. Should we try something more simple for you?

Heres one. What colors are navigation lights ? Red and green, or orange and blue ?

Sorry, I understand them perfectly. Dry pipes are not ever going to make only 90dB.

but hey, you don't get it so now you want me to explain nav lights to you. BTW, you missed one of them, so the answer is none of the above

[QUOTE=MILD THUNDER;4376477]Lets see here Joe- Seeing that you know what parts are in my builds please list the parts? Please list what parts are junk, what are used and what is new? The only person on this site that know's anything about my builds other than me is Getrdunn, as all the work was done in his shop last winter.

As to the Reeds cams you sold me- Yup they were junk- They made no more power than a 454 mag. Do you remember when you were selling me those wonder cams that you also tried to sell me a set of Weiand x-celerator intakes? LOL- I sure do and I told you no thanks because they were worse than the RPM intakes I was using! Also- I think you are a bit mistaken as to what I paid you for those cams and it sure wasn't $75 each, but that wouldn't be a good story if you posted the real price. As to the lifters- I never bought any lifters from you, I bought some lifters from Tkach that were supposed to be Morels. I think I paid closer to $300 for them and come to find out they weren't Morels but most likely Cranes. I sold them and never installed them in my engines, and I ended up buying new Morels.

Now you claim I have Bob's cams, AFR heads, and raised the compression in my engine. You are a crazy dude, where do you pull your info from? What part of all things being equal other than cams do you not understand? I replaced the Reed cams with a NEW- not USED pair of 741 cams. Compression is the same, pistons the same, carb the same, exhaust the same, everything is the same! With that change and that change alone I gained 4 mph at the cost of $650.00. And yes- boat idles just fine at 700 rpms. Oh- hold on- I did replace the timing chains so maybe I picked up 1 mph there!

As for me not affording new cams when I bought the Reed cams, sure that was true at the time- I was working on my masters degree and money was tight, so what! IMO, spending money on my education is a little more wise than spending money on my boat!

Thanks for calling my Formula junk, which it isn't- At least I didn't take vinyl spray paint and paint my seats because I couldn't afford to have my seats upholstered. All the vinyl in my boat is new and was purchased from McLeod, it's about as good as it gets, certainly better than a can of spray paint! I also believe you are running heads that were bought second hand, as well as those mighty blowers you bought second hand. I'm sure a lot of your boats bling parts are second hand parts. So before you start slamming people for buying something used, you better look in the mirror! I find it rather interesting that you slam people for doing for the same things as you have done/do. There is nothing wrong with saving a buck or two, but I guess now you are too cool to admit you too buy used parts!

[QUOTE=endeavour32;4376856] You still wanna keep making up lies? Do I have to dig up the paypal invoice and shipping info too?

Oh you had RPM intakes? You told me YOU wanted weiand intakes to replace your stock mag intakes, and I simply said a buddy had a pair for sale!!!!! Another oso liar.

Sure sucks to have proof when people try to make you look bad..... I love when people lie and the other person has proof....

Are you a moderator on this site ? If so do your job and stop the BS caused by these few that keep stirring the pot for reactions (same 4-5 that you stick up for) and I will not have to jump in..........SIMPLE ENOUGH!!!!!!

Yea, did you know the scorpions are better than the crane rockers ? Hmm

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This is a good point. With a car, 20hp is a significant, seat of the pants gain but in most marine apps., especially these big multi engine boats, 20, 30, even 40hp really isn't going to set the world on fire. Making a 20hp difference is usually fairly easy on most mild builds but trying to get 50+ with our example; a ~700hp pump gas 540 living in the <6000 rpm range pretty much isn't going to happen without a blower or more compression and even then, you're still going to need to increase rpm to the max of whatever your combination will allow.

bck:
I don't care what heads, intake or cam you try to use...you simply can not force more air/fuel into the engine than it's going to take on it's own but for one exception and that's with a tunnel ram and two carbs. Tuned, equal runner lengths, a common plenum and the charge inertia factor will make more power because of increased VE. That's about the only "bolt on" improvement that will make any significant power increase without changing compression, displacement or rpm. Bigger heads will only slow down the airspeed through the port and that will hurt VE (cylinder filling) which is what makes power. More cam might make a little more peak power but not enough to be worth while and will hurt the average below peak and for these big boats that's not necessarily a good thing.

Lets see Tim you have over 7000 posts and 6999 of them are about YOUR 2 boats that have so many failures by your own hands over the past 5 or so years I can't even keep track of them. Now that you have got 1 of them to run for 10 hours you are all about giving advise................BRAVO YOUR THE BEST.............I will PM you later about a new build we are working on so you can teach me the right way.

Please explain how the 315's are going to be a better choice, even if the (intake) and cam can feed them? Also wondering what "additions" AFR can do to the 305's to make them a bit better?

Again

Thanks Horsepower1 for posting useful information to help others out.

Well it looks that I misspoke, so with that said- my memory served me wrong and I am sorry. Either way- the only used parts that went into my engines were the cams I purchased from you. I bought just about everything I saw back then if it was a good deal. Whether I was going to use it or not. So it's a little difficult to remember what I paid for every part.

As I'm sure you also know- those emails are from 2012, and right at the very beginning of me planning on what I was going to do with my engines at that time. In the end- using old parts didn't set well with me and I sold off just about every part I bought. So just for the record here is what went into my "junk" engines

Crain Gold Rockers
Morel Lifters
Trend push rods
RPM intakes to later be replaced with Darts
Crane 741 cams
HP 500 Carbs
Holley Fuel Pumps
Isky SP-8005 Springs
Isky Retainers and Locks
Arp rocker studs
ARP head bolts, intake bolts, ect.
Cometic gaskets
Wilson Carb Spacers


Other than the carbs, and the intakes, every thing was new. So there you have it, so now maybe you can stop thinking that the parts I bought from you in 2012, were ever installed in my engines. Again- outside of the cams- nothing ever went in my engines. Also- those cams never made more than 380 hp, They were sad and weak, they worked for the time being, but certainly never produced the 467 hp you thought they would. Over the 330's that were in my boat originally, I gained 3 mph with the same props.

Well first of all that's not true many of my posts are many different things... And yes I break stuff, I boat every weekend and run it hard you never even boat to break anything the one time I see you and you are in some else's boat... Don't pm me I do t care what you have to say, you are the worst example of what a preofessiinal is.... And I would love to see you approach me with a bat and see what happens to your old azz...
Go part out that 30,000.00 empty Baja hill you could not sell, I told you that last winter you hated me for pointing out it will not sell and that's what started your hate towards me... Funny my dumb azz was right... As you are now gonna scrap it!!! Hahahahahahahahaha

Wow- so now you are going through all of your old e-mails. You must have a lot of time on your hands. I've used both Crane Golds and Scorpion Endurance rockers. Of the two I prefer the Scorpions. So I really don't know what you are attempting to prove with the last e-mail, but using my opinion and not Bobs, I think the scorpion is a better product. Use what you want, I could careless. Again- what is the point of that post? Also why did you not post your reply? Is it because you said you bought some used rockers to put in your high dollar engines but really wanted to use scorpions. If you forgot, which happens, let me refresh your memory.




Joe 3/29/12 Keep this message at the top of your inbox
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I ended up buying two sets of crane golds off a buddy. They were low hour ones, he purchased them new in 05, and only like 100 hours on them. Mine, could have very well been from the 80's, as I believe my engines started life as 400HP mercs.

Scorpions endurance were my #1 choice. But since this build has gone way over the initial budget, tryin to save some money here or there!

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Id love to hear what you like better about the scorpion rockers over the cranes ?? Is the the geometry with aftermarket taller intake valves ?

Never made more than 387hp ? You dynoed them? As stated. Those cams were in 509s, that made over 500hp NA , and 700hp with 250 blowers. I gave you the specs, you decided to purchase. Please stop insinuating i specd out some junk for your engines. You consulted with bob on them, and he advised going with 1.8 rockers with them. Do not blame me for your lack of engine knowledge, tuning knowledge, or how to set up a boat.

And those lifters you bought from mike tkach, were indeed morel lifters, the street version, which both him and i told you prior to purchase.

endevour32 same ol same ol , nothing but lies.

The key to this is how you get the air fuel in. The reason that in 2 identical engines, one with 088 heads and one with afr's are going to make different hp. Naturally with the other correct parts.

joe,you have proved with you,r text messages that mike tennant is a liar.after that i don,t think many oso members care what he has to say.i practically gave him a set of take out morell lifters and he claims they were cranes.i find it funny the way he comes here and attempts to discredit the used parts he choose to buy.

gee I don't know. Why would you do port work on 305's to make them flow more air? As far as extras, if you hadn't pissed AFR off by calling their heads junk maybe they should tell you. Or maybe you could just read their website.