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Cycling the bolts is only important if you're using the torque method. If you're stretching the bolts then it's still a good idea to cycle them a few times, but this is usually done by the time you've done bearing clearances. Friction is a big factor when torquing a bolt, but not so much when stretching.
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Originally Posted by horsepower1
(Post 4386061)
Cycling the bolts is only important if you're using the torque method. If you're stretching the bolts then it's still a good idea to cycle them a few tines, but this is usually done by the time you've done bearing clearances. Friction is a big factor when torquing a bolt, but not so much when stretching.
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Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER
(Post 4386066)
Have you ever seen new rods change shape after a few torquing cycles ?
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I guess most of the diy guys are just getting lucky because there sure isn't that much talk about tips failures from bolts.hydrolocking and reversion,yes,but cycling rods bolts.no way
And I've seen and done a ton of Builds that don't do that.everything from cheap stockers,eagle's to Oliver and full out drag race aluminum rods(and these guys go to 9600rpm). The lube on the threads and back side are more critical as well as stretch if that's the process you are going to use. |
Originally Posted by horsepower1
(Post 4386061)
Cycling the bolts is only important if you're using the torque method. If you're stretching the bolts then it's still a good idea to cycle them a few times, but this is usually done by the time you've done bearing clearances. Friction is a big factor when torquing a bolt, but not so much when stretching.
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I know I'm being a dick but.....................Just to be a technically correct those fastners you're all talking about are called screws not bolts. A screw goes into a threaded hole in the mating part, a bolt is secured with a nut.
and I'd still be equally concerned with bad threads in the rod causing a issue vs the screw. |
Originally Posted by Interceptor
(Post 4386177)
I know I'm being a dick but.....................Just to be a technically correct those fastners you're all talking about are called screws not bolts. A screw goes into a threaded hole in the mating part, a bolt is secured with a nut.
and I'd still be equally concerned with bad threads in the rod causing a issue vs the screw. |
I told my wife I was gonna bolt the $hit out of her tonight with my Richard
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Amazing to me how many will "save" a couple hundred $ on a $10'ooo build! WTF! I doit RIGHT and ONCE!
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Originally Posted by horsepower1
(Post 4386061)
Cycling the bolts is only important if you're using the torque method. If you're stretching the bolts then it's still a good idea to cycle them a few times, but this is usually done by the time you've done bearing clearances. Friction is a big factor when torquing a bolt, but not so much when stretching.
Three basic elements that contribute to the friction factor: Most importantly - The fastener assembly lubricant The condition of the receiving threads The surface finish of the fastener Because of these variables, a phenomenon known as "preload scatter" or preload error occurs. This is basically the difference between the amount of preload achieved on the first installation of the fastener and the amount of preload achieved on subsequent torque/loosen/re-torque cycles. It's not uncommon to see "preload scatter" in the range of 4,000-8,000 pounds between the first and tenth pull on a new fastener depending on the lubricant used. The Lubricant is the Key The main factor in determining friction in a threaded fastener is the lubricant used, and therefore influences the torque required for a particular installation. One of the most overlooked aspects of choosing a fastener assembly lubricant is…the lubricant's ability to "control" the normal function of friction inherent in all high performance engine fasteners. As discussed earlier in this section, friction is at its highest point when a new fastener is first tightened. This "friction" inhibits the fasteners ability to achieve the required preload on the first several cycles. In fact, ARP's in-house Research and Development department has proven that new fasteners using motor oil and other commonly used lubricants such as Moly and EPL typically require 5-7 cycles before final torquing to level out the initial friction and achieve the required preload. Slicker lubricants may reduce the required torque by as much as 20-30% to achieve the desired preload, but compromise in areas of major importance such as preload repeatability, and may yield the fastener prematurely. Typically, the slicker the lubricant, the greater the "preload scatter" or preload error there will be during installation. http://arp-bolts.com/p/technical.php |
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