Full Force

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Ok i stand corrected, it was almost 2mph. I still think you would of ended up with a hell of alot more motor and mph, putting you AFR cnc chambered heads on the old 565 with even a little bigger cam than whats in your 540. Don't take this the wrong way either, just because you have thin skin. "Again not trying to poke a battle"

I think if guys would like a easy 700hp and roughly 650 too 700 tq, to check out some bigger cubic in. engines (565,572,598's). ESPECIALLY N/A.......... Those engines seem to hit that target with relative ease. There a number of proven recipes that scream those #'s to 6000 rpm.

I hope your engines hit your marks. Your just showing us all how important cubic in. is in a N/A engines. Trying beat your old 565's POWER with smaller engines has proven to be very COSTLY. I think we all have learned that here, including me.

Again thanks for putting all this out there.[/QUOTE]
Oh I don't have thin skin, but after 2 years of people telling me how stupid they think I am it gets old, I stand my ground...

As far as putting afr heads on existing engines, it wasn't like that... tossed a rod and. Ought all new stuff, now could I have easily built 600ci ? Sure but tall decks would not fit especially with dominator jnder my hatch, I think guys see I put zero thought into what I did, actually quite oppsosite... i stated twice why I did 540's, not gonna again...

If bob m was not a horrible person to guide me wrong they would not have cost me so much $. Again, sick of defending why I did what I did...

I am doing more thought and blue printing this time then most ever do... so I hope results are better, find out soon

Full Force

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Thanks Mike, yes 565's made a tad more TQ but less Hp, new ones were a tad less TQ, and more hp...

(Not aimed at Mike T) The numbers didn't kill my build as much as where those numbers were in powerband... that will change this time

Yes the "you should have " being told to me is old, you guys gotta get off that and move some of you... if you spent this much time and cash you would be "thin skinned" also... I am not a single young kid here with no other bills or things going on in life.

Full Force

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I have not found another person that posted about porting the heads and such to see results... maybe I will be the first hope it's a good thread

cigrocket

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315 CNC AFR apparently before they were on the **** list......lol

getrdunn

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I didn't realize they were on the poop list. That's what I wish bob would have spec'd for Tim or even 305's. I just think btwn poor intakes, 325 head results in poor velocity. I'm no expert and do not build engines professionally however have experimented in real world conditions for over 30 years. Some dyno but most knowledge I've gained is on the water. I enjoy learning new things as many of us do but some of this is very basic. I look at it as a simple funnel effect. Start from the top and work your way to the bottom and then make sure your able to get it out of the hole. Simple exhaust can be a problem chaser. What goes in must come out.

Tim I do understand you not going over and consulting with different builds from the start when you were dealing with the so called best for at least a decade it seems. Gosh for years any poor guy just asking about a cam choice thead would get dogged and considered a complete idiot if he didn't just call bob. Call bob - call bob - call bob (he will hook you up) geewiz... I even got sick of reading and hearing it. You thought about and you finally pulled the trigger. Sucks but chit happens. I honestly thought your cam specs were good in fact still do. Obviously your lobes didn't but seriously.... a litttle less lift and in my opinion woulda been right in there. Cams with 236/242 or so duration will take you to 6k easy given the right combo. All I can think of if you end up going much bigger cam with your heads could lead to disappointment.

I'm concerned with a 317 runner in a 565 which will end up closer to 325 more than likely but I have little more efficient hull and X raised. I'd either have the floors welded up with intake work as well or sell your castings and purchase some 305's.

bck

I thought cam motion had rendered their verdict?

vintage chromoly

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Just for the record, the bob m cams that came out of tims engines had nothing but normal witness marks on them as would any cam with 65 hours on it. They have been looked at locally as well as at cam motion.
We can argue the virtue, or lack thereof, of the lobe selection, but lets keep this factual.

getrdunn

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I didn't see the cams myself, only pictures posted of, so either the pics were extremely deceiving or camera angle/shadow etc or of different cams all together. I'm really confused now. Still waiting on comments from CM.

vintage chromoly

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Cam motion reported that there is nothing wrong with the cam wear.

getrdunn

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If the pics posted of his cams are normal for 65 hours then I'm gonna look at getting some 270/280-550/560 custom grinds.