Premature main engine bearing failure mystery
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rule of thumb is .001 per inch of journal dia for standard engine,bigger for more power..0027 for rods .0033 for mains makes me happy on a bbc.a little more is ok if the rest of the oiling system is correct.edit in,my honda accord uses 0w20 synthetic,when i looked up the bearing clearance on the v6 engine i almost chit my pants.
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I would not run 20-50 with that for mains, I tried once many years ago... it didn't last, did nothing different besides snore clearance and never had an issue again.
Thanks Mike. My builder last time around did .0027 on the rods, .0025 on the mains. If the main journal diameter is 2.75" the rule of thumb says .00275" I'll have another conversation with him, but in the end he has 30+ more years of experience building Hi perf engines than I do, so I'll let him make the final decision. I will however go with a lower vis oil in the future.
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These clearances work fine it's what I run to .0001 with hot oil befor I punish them. Never had bearing issues because of clearance.
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I posted up a massive 502 MPI gen-6 oil thread years ago I think the point of what everyone's missing that still holds true is a stock gen-6 502 has tiny oil lines with tiny inside diameter on the fittings as small as three eighths of an inch
That works fine with a stock low volume oil pump and tight rod and main bearing clearances but as soon as you put on a high-volume oil pump and open up the main and Rod clearances the oil lines become a restriction. Now the block oil bypass valve opens up all the time circulating hot, unfiltered oil throughout the motor and it also opens the bypass valve in the pump as the oil can't go anywhere so in the end you're making 70 PSI oil pressure but only seeing 40 at the motor after it goes through all the lines. I personally saw this on my gen 6 502 mpi years ago, oil was hot and after hard runs dipped to less than 10 psi at idle. I upgraded everything without pulling the motor before i hurt it and it lived a happy life.
That works fine with a stock low volume oil pump and tight rod and main bearing clearances but as soon as you put on a high-volume oil pump and open up the main and Rod clearances the oil lines become a restriction. Now the block oil bypass valve opens up all the time circulating hot, unfiltered oil throughout the motor and it also opens the bypass valve in the pump as the oil can't go anywhere so in the end you're making 70 PSI oil pressure but only seeing 40 at the motor after it goes through all the lines. I personally saw this on my gen 6 502 mpi years ago, oil was hot and after hard runs dipped to less than 10 psi at idle. I upgraded everything without pulling the motor before i hurt it and it lived a happy life.
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I learned about the gen6 weakness wen I put an aluminum headed 502(basically a boat engine set up) in my 93 gmc truck.I had the oil pressure sensor in the oil passage off the #1 main,,it was scary how low that oil got before I made/solved all the oil passage/supply short comings.
engine still alive to day,,roaming the roads and logging roads of NH.
articfriends summed up the mods beautifully.
engine still alive to day,,roaming the roads and logging roads of NH.
articfriends summed up the mods beautifully.
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I posted up a massive 502 MPI gen-6 oil thread years ago I think the point of what everyone's missing that still holds true is a stock gen-6 502 has tiny oil lines with tiny inside diameter on the fittings as small as three eighths of an inch
That works fine with a stock low volume oil pump and tight rod and main bearing clearances but as soon as you put on a high-volume oil pump and open up the main and Rod clearances the oil lines become a restriction. Now the block oil bypass valve opens up all the time circulating hot, unfiltered oil throughout the motor and it also opens the bypass valve in the pump as the oil can't go anywhere so in the end you're making 70 PSI oil pressure but only seeing 40 at the motor after it goes through all the lines. I personally saw this on my gen 6 502 mpi years ago, oil was hot and after hard runs dipped to less than 10 psi at idle. I upgraded everything without pulling the motor before i hurt it and it lived a happy life.
That works fine with a stock low volume oil pump and tight rod and main bearing clearances but as soon as you put on a high-volume oil pump and open up the main and Rod clearances the oil lines become a restriction. Now the block oil bypass valve opens up all the time circulating hot, unfiltered oil throughout the motor and it also opens the bypass valve in the pump as the oil can't go anywhere so in the end you're making 70 PSI oil pressure but only seeing 40 at the motor after it goes through all the lines. I personally saw this on my gen 6 502 mpi years ago, oil was hot and after hard runs dipped to less than 10 psi at idle. I upgraded everything without pulling the motor before i hurt it and it lived a happy life.
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I posted up a massive 502 MPI gen-6 oil thread years ago I think the point of what everyone's missing that still holds true is a stock gen-6 502 has tiny oil lines with tiny inside diameter on the fittings as small as three eighths of an inch
That works fine with a stock low volume oil pump and tight rod and main bearing clearances but as soon as you put on a high-volume oil pump and open up the main and Rod clearances the oil lines become a restriction. Now the block oil bypass valve opens up all the time circulating hot, unfiltered oil throughout the motor and it also opens the bypass valve in the pump as the oil can't go anywhere so in the end you're making 70 PSI oil pressure but only seeing 40 at the motor after it goes through all the lines. I personally saw this on my gen 6 502 mpi years ago, oil was hot and after hard runs dipped to less than 10 psi at idle. I upgraded everything without pulling the motor before i hurt it and it lived a happy life.
That works fine with a stock low volume oil pump and tight rod and main bearing clearances but as soon as you put on a high-volume oil pump and open up the main and Rod clearances the oil lines become a restriction. Now the block oil bypass valve opens up all the time circulating hot, unfiltered oil throughout the motor and it also opens the bypass valve in the pump as the oil can't go anywhere so in the end you're making 70 PSI oil pressure but only seeing 40 at the motor after it goes through all the lines. I personally saw this on my gen 6 502 mpi years ago, oil was hot and after hard runs dipped to less than 10 psi at idle. I upgraded everything without pulling the motor before i hurt it and it lived a happy life.




