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MILD THUNDER 02-17-2017 12:31 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4526219)
I think she's gonna make more TQ than HP.

:drink:

Tahoe540 02-17-2017 12:33 PM

That is what I thought too 670 lbs of torque at 3700 is not to shabby. I know how this works in a car but how does this torque work down low with an outdrive? Will this benefit in getting the boat up on plane quick?

Crude Intentions 02-17-2017 06:27 PM

Boat motor or tractor tailer? Lol

Tahoe540 02-17-2017 06:41 PM

I just picked it up and they used 1 3/4 primary tube headers on this so the exhaust was crap. He also told me to go down one jet size all the way around.

MILD THUNDER 02-17-2017 06:48 PM

I've seen some AFR headed 540 combos here on oso, that didn't make that kind of low end torque , with smaller CC heads, and smaller cams.

Are those heads using the stock 2.19 intake valves?

MILD THUNDER 02-17-2017 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by Tahoe540 (Post 4530030)
That is what I thought too 670 lbs of torque at 3700 is not to shabby. I know how this works in a car but how does this torque work down low with an outdrive? Will this benefit in getting the boat up on plane quick?

Certainly. It should be a nice combo for a 30ft single engine boat. Some larger headers would have helped , esp in the upper rpm band. 1.75 is small for that build.

I think your cam guy did a good job. I'm sure most were thinking, that cam was way too big, and not enough split, but I think it could have used a bit more cam. Hence why I said it will make more TQ, than HP.

ICDEDPPL 02-17-2017 07:10 PM

This should be Getherdones favorite build. But he`d use a smaller cam for even more TQ .

:lolhit:

Tahoe540 02-17-2017 07:28 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4530110)
Are those heads using the stock 2.19 intake valves?

They are 2.25 now. The cam was reground by this guy my machinist uses in socal. He has reground one of my solid drag race cams but I have not used it yet as the clay smith I had custom ground works so much better than the Erson I had in there. Good people over at Clay Smith.

I know everyone talks about HP numbers breaking outdrives but what does high torque down low do to them. I will state I am not planning on hole shots and abuse on the outdrive. I have already bought a spare one just in case.

getrdunn 02-17-2017 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by Tahoe540 (Post 4530022)
Well just got the numbers and am very happy with the outcome. 621 peak HP and 670 peak torque.http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps9aq3owmb.jpg
http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/p...ps4yxbnsvl.jpg

Well I was within 1 hp but off with rpm. I woulda though even advanced 2 deg it woulda peaked out higher. Nice build

getrdunn 02-17-2017 08:05 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4530119)
This should be Getherdones favorite build. But he`d use a smaller cam for even more TQ .

:lolhit:

Hey now....

It is kinda funny though when your think of a tunnel ram 565 with 236/244 much smaller than 252/252 yet pulls peak hp at 6k. Port velocity??? Valve timing??? Wonder what OP's peak hp woulda been with some 315/325 worked over heads with 2.30 valves.

Btw I did end up with cams that even make yours look small. Lol

MILD THUNDER 02-17-2017 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4530134)
Hey now....

It is kinda funny though when your think of a tunnel ram 565 with 236/244 much smaller than 252/252 yet pulls peak hp at 6k. Port velocity??? Valve timing??? Wonder what peak hp woulda been with some 315 cnc heads. Btw I did end up with cams that even make yours look small. Lol

Main thing is , He doesnt have a tunnel ram, fully ported aftermarket heads, 2.3 plus intake valve, 1.85 ratio rocker arms, and 700ish lift with solid lifters on hyd lobes.

Like i said earlier, rpm capability, can be affected by valve lift, valve diameter, head flow, and so on. If his velocity was crapola, i dont think hed be making more torque at lower rpms than bcks smaller headed, smaller cammed, 10:1 548 with 305 afr heads.

Change the camshaft lobe, and valve size, and your velocity can go way up, or way down. It all plays a part. Thats what "custom" cams were meant to do. Design a cam for the engine package the customer has.

MILD THUNDER 02-17-2017 09:03 PM

Getrdunn, just entering some information in pipemax.

With tahoe's specs, his cam, and 2.25 valve , it shows the intake system, is good for 5760rpm

By simply adding a 2.3 valve, with .700 lift, it raises to 6019 rpm. A 2.35 valve, with .730 lift, goes up to 6159 rpm.

Thats adding 400 additional RPM to the intake system, without a single change to the .050 duration.

By adding 1.85 rocker arm, which would increase his lift to roughly .685, his intake system went from 5760, to 5928 rpm.

While its just a computer program, seems pretty dam close to me, suggesting the engine would run out of steam with that combination of lift, duration, and valve size at 5700, and his dyno sheet seems to agree. Pretty neat stuff.

getrdunn 02-17-2017 09:16 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4530150)
Getrdunn, just entering some information in pipemax.

With tahoe's specs, his cam, and 2.25 valve , it shows the intake system, is good for 5760rpm

By simply adding a 2.3 valve, with .700 lift, it raises to 6019 rpm. A 2.35 valve, with .730 lift, goes up to 6159 rpm.

Thats adding 400 additional RPM to the intake system, without a single change to the .050 duration.

By adding 1.85 rocker arm, which would increase his lift to roughly .685, his intake system went from 5760, to 5928 rpm.

While its just a computer program, seems pretty dam close to me, suggesting the engine would run out of steam with that combination of lift, duration, and valve size at 5700, and his dyno sheet seems to agree. Pretty neat stuff.

That's pretty amazing data. If I had that software I wouldn't get anything done. Lol..

getrdunn 02-17-2017 09:24 PM

It is just interesting how cam duration always gets discussed where people want to make their peak power at a said rpm yet heads, valve size and induction can change it in a hurry with the same cam. Combo, combo....

HaxbySpeed 02-17-2017 10:35 PM

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Looks like you could've pulled a few jets out for sure. For cam duration vs cylinder head comparisons, here's a very similar combo with a lunati 238/248 114. Same cubes, same heads, a little less comp. 1 7/8 ID headers with 3" exhaust and mufflers. No accessories. Vic Jr. Hp950

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Tahoe540 02-18-2017 07:20 AM

Yes for sure going to lean it out a little, you have great numbers as well. Very similar. Here is the complete pic of the Dyno graph.

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/p...psaynqua8k.jpg

HaxbySpeed 02-18-2017 08:34 AM

Looks great. That should work very well for you, and I bet upgrading to a quick fuel 1050 4150 carb or something similar down the road will pick up a fair bit more power too. Nice build.

MILD THUNDER 02-18-2017 09:07 AM

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Heres Tim's 540. 9.6:1 , 1050 quick fuel, AFR 325 heads, 241/246 112 680 lift madera cam. Stainless marine exhaust with accessories.

ICDEDPPL 02-18-2017 10:33 AM

So AFR heads and custom cam same power as 088 GM heads and off the shelf cam.
Marine Kinetics really killin it! :D

TruxtonFox 02-22-2017 04:36 PM


Originally Posted by Tahoe540 (Post 4530215)
Yes for sure going to lean it out a little, you have great numbers as well. Very similar. Here is the complete pic of the Dyno graph.

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/p...psaynqua8k.jpg

What are you looking at to know that its running rich?

Tahoe540 02-22-2017 04:50 PM

http://i393.photobucket.com/albums/p...psrifiiaep.jpg

TruxtonFox 02-22-2017 04:52 PM

Gotcha, missed that pic


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