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GPM, Would you be referring to a tight lash solid or just a standard solid roller setup?? Also if my budget is tight after all my upgrades would I be ok running my current comp gold rockers with girdles then make the upgrade to the shaft mounts mid summer or next winter?? And if I do go solid roller setup what would be a safe margin of hours to expect to rebuild or replace lifters, 200hrs or so?? |
The tight lash solid rollers I've run were set at .010 cold, I wouldn't run more than .016 cold on a standard cam, but that's just me. From what I've seen the tight lash is a faster ramp that will wear things out faster. You can make good power with a slower ramp solid roller cam and it will live longer. I would check the lifters at 100 hours, pull them out and spin the rollers, the Crower 66291H are rebuild-able. In my opinion the stainless shaft rockers are more stable than your stud girdle, you're not putting all of the pressure at the top of the rocker stud. The stands bolt directly to the head. All rockers have a life cycle, I believe stainless is about 10 x longer than aluminum maybe more. Break a rocker at any RPM and you beat the piss out of the cam lobe, lifter and push rod, one of them will be the next thing to go. My opinion, the valve train is not the place to budget, do it right the first time and you'll save a ton of money in the long run.
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That’s good advice!! I can make the switch the shaft mounts!! Your personal opinion would I benefit a decent amount of horsepower with cnc afr 335 vs dart 325?? I feel like the afr would make more power because they flow better on intake side, but flow considerably better on exhaust side?!? |
Originally Posted by Daytona25
(Post 4670898)
That’s good advice!! I can make the switch the shaft mounts!! Your personal opinion would I benefit a decent amount of horsepower with cnc afr 335 vs dart 325?? I feel like the afr would make more power because they flow better on intake side, but flow considerably better on exhaust side?!? |
Originally Posted by Daytona25
(Post 4670898)
That’s good advice!! I can make the switch the shaft mounts!! Your personal opinion would I benefit a decent amount of horsepower with cnc afr 335 vs dart 325?? I feel like the afr would make more power because they flow better on intake side, but flow considerably better on exhaust side?!? |
Goin to stay with the 509, I believe it should make as much power as my drive and boat can handle, I know some people put more power in the 25’ Daytona but at 850hp it will do everything I need and then some, that’s assuming I can make that much power with a 509 and 871 intercooled blower?? |
Originally Posted by Daytona25
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Goin to stay with the 509, I believe it should make as much power as my drive and boat can handle, I know some people put more power in the 25’ Daytona but at 850hp it will do everything I need and then some, that’s assuming I can make that much power with a 509 and 871 intercooled blower?? |
Pretty sure I’m goin to purchase afr cnc 335 heads, unless there is something better?? Seems those have really good flow numbers for not being too big of a runner volume!!? https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...f9ba2bad31.png |
These are better if we’re racing flow benches. https://brodix.com/heads-2/big-block...block-series24 https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7c0441b81e.png |
I bet the brodix have better shape runners and more air speed. Probably cost more too |
I don’t see how those are better???? Yes they may have a few more cfm on the intake side, but they are 30+ cfm short on the exhaust side from the afr!?? And if I’m not mistaken a blower motor needs all the help it can get on the exhaust side, because the better it gets air out the more free flowing it lets air in!?? Meaning more total airflow at a given boost level!?? Should equate to more power per pound of boost?!! |
It's more about the shape and the air speed. I made 900 with the 351 brodix NA 6800. Ask eddy young one of his costumers had brodix that he didn't use picked up 100hp |
What size brodix would you recommend for a 509” application??? |
Originally Posted by Daytona25
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What size brodix would you recommend for a 509” application??? |
So the 332 brodix, what kind of cam recommendation would you put with them? I know solid roller but so you have a grind you have used with good results or would I just need to have one custom ground to my setup?? |
Sorry you said 335 or 350, you used 332 on the last motor because you already had them correct? |
Yes 335 and comp cams has some soft lobes we just tried so will have to see what happens. Who evere you chose make sure they put the cast gear on the back. I herd lunati has some good ones too plus bullet. |
This should keep you busy, Bullet Cams Master List
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Originally Posted by 14 apache
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lol that and a hat to put some choices in and draw. I have got cams from the late herald he was so good was never a worry. |
Those numbers are all foreign language to me lol I somewhat understand duration at .50 and lift numbers but that list is confusing to me! |
Not saying that's it's simple or that I know that much about it, but if you compare initial, .050 and .200 numbers you can see why some cams will make more power than others, idle differently with the same .050 numbers, and beat the hell out of the rest of the valve train.
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Originally Posted by GPM
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Not saying that's it's simple or that I know that much about it, but if you compare initial, .050 and .200 numbers you can see why some cams will make more power than others, idle differently with the same .050 numbers, and beat the hell out of the rest of the valve train.
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GPM what you think of the bushing lifters now? Bischoff from BSE was talking to him about bushing lifters he said that would be his choice on offshore boat. Still not sure about that myself. |
Originally Posted by 14 apache
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GPM what you think of the bushing lifters now? Bischoff from BSE was talking to him about bushing lifters he said that would be his choice on offshore boat. Still not sure about that myself. |
Originally Posted by 14 apache
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I am in the same boat I probably would not pick a lobe so easy from all of the choices. They know what works. And you need to get the rite guy to help you. |
Sorry ment lifters with bushings no needle bearings. |
Originally Posted by 14 apache
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Sorry ment lifters with bushings no needle bearings. |
Isky EZ-Roll Lifter;
The design differences between a bushing — Isky refers to it as a “solid bearing” but we’ll use bushing as it’s a reference more familiar to engine builders today — and needle bearing are simple, but the pros and cons of each aren’t always so obvious. The needle bearing wraps the axle with numerous tiny cylindrical rollers that are well-suited for reducing friction because the line point of contact is so thin along the length of the needle. However, needles can suffer surface wear and flat spots if the loads are too heavy for such a small contact area. With the bushing design, the axle shaft does not touch the bushing shell. Instead, there is a film of oil or hydraulic wedge that carries the load of the lifter. With proper oil pressure and the correct lubricant, the bushing can not only last longer, but by spreading the load over a greater area of the axle, the lifter can support higher spring pressures. |
Just got the motor out, had a crane 741 cam in it, those are supposed to pull pretty good rpm in a 509 with a blower?? Guess maybe it had valvetrain stability issues?? |
Originally Posted by Daytona25
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Just got the motor out, had a crane 741 cam in it, those are supposed to pull pretty good rpm in a 509 with a blower?? Guess maybe it had valvetrain stability issues?? |
Originally Posted by Daytona25
(Post 4671717)
Just got the motor out, had a crane 741 cam in it, those are supposed to pull pretty good rpm in a 509 with a blower?? Guess maybe it had valvetrain stability issues?? |
The 741 has a little more overlap than a norm blower cam,ital work and make the power,mine has a little tracking from low port velocity, but prob the reason i can run more boost on 93, the cam company's should have a good marine blower cam. also would call Kip at Cam Motion, he was making some big power on the old (HotRod mag)Pump gas drags, I would think that would carry over to marine blown on 93 etc. I wouldn't run a solid roller, just harder to adjust the lash with headers,Ive ben running solids on street cras/race cars awhile, really dont see much change in valve adjustment,but i do spend the extra running the Crower stuff,helps a buddy thats WD with Crower to.
You should beable make 800's easy with the heads your talking about,My Scarab motor /494.8/71,2 1050's,innercooler made 828 at 7200 w/ hyd roller, Crower lifters,All Crower guts. My Hustler is 500efi,741 cam,I ported the stock steel heads myself,whipple 3/3 etc, it made 840s at 6-6100, 8.5 boost, Last rebuild went with new Dart block,no other change except dyno w/ 93 ethanol fuel made 883 at 6000.thats crane 741,crane gen 6 style 500efi hyd lifters,gold rockers, 1 step above 929 spring, If ya get to radical on cam etc the idle gets worse, docking, I didnt read the hole thread, not sure your carb or fuel inj, just my 2 cents. good luck with your combo, Rob |
I ended up goin with the afr 315cc fully cnc ported heads, a Lunati 245-250 duration at .50 blower cam, hyd roller comp short travel lifters, crower stainless shaft mount rockers, 8.2 static compression gonna try to run 8lbs boost below intercooler, also it’s carbureted I have 2 980cfm Nickerson carbs. Hoping to make 850hp?? |
Probably could of gave it little more cam but think you will get your 850. |
I was afraid to over cam it and have a motor that didn’t idle well, seems people have seen 62-6400 rpm with the 651 crane cam and this one is about the same size just a touch less lift, so I thought it would be plenty of cam?? |
The 651 is on a 114 lsa the Lunati I picked is on a 112lsa |
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im curious to see what you make
i just did a 502(575sci rebuild), 7.5:1 compression, AFR 315 heads, 741(525) cam, 8-71 and small ass TBI. made 775hp at 4psi. so im sure you can reach your 850 with ease |
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