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Daytona25 03-11-2019 08:26 PM

That’s exciting that you made that much power, hopefully I make 850....I would think it should with the build I’m doing. What drive ratio are you running your blower to get 8lbs, and what rpm did you get peak power with the 741 cam?

LTZCrew 03-12-2019 01:53 PM


Originally Posted by Daytona25 (Post 4676685)
That’s exciting that you made that much power, hopefully I make 850....I would think it should with the build I’m doing. What drive ratio are you running your blower to get 8lbs, and what rpm did you get peak power with the 741 cam?

peak power came in at 5900rpms, max trq at 4700rpms
i haven't run it with the pulley swap. so im not exactly sure on boost but on the dyno it was a 55 lower 52 upper and i got a peak of 4.2psi. now at 55 lower 48 upper im hopping that gets me in the 7/8psi range

hogie roll 03-12-2019 04:25 PM


Originally Posted by Daytona25 (Post 4676685)
That’s exciting that you made that much power, hopefully I make 850....I would think it should with the build I’m doing. What drive ratio are you running your blower to get 8lbs, and what rpm did you get peak power with the 741 cam?

You'll keep making power up top in spite of the cam due to the blower keeping airflow up.

Daytona25 03-12-2019 05:37 PM

That’s a big jump, won’t you have to retune for that??

Daytona25 03-12-2019 06:21 PM

Hogie roll so with a blower motor more cam just gets the desired power earlier??

MILD THUNDER 03-12-2019 08:43 PM


Originally Posted by LTZCrew (Post 4676792)
peak power came in at 5900rpms, max trq at 4700rpms
i haven't run it with the pulley swap. so im not exactly sure on boost but on the dyno it was a 55 lower 52 upper and i got a peak of 4.2psi. now at 55 lower 48 upper im hopping that gets me in the 7/8psi range

Overdriven 8-71 on that setup and only made 4lbs? Id say either the blower is worn, or your throttle bodies are killing you.

Daytona25 03-12-2019 09:28 PM

Mild thunder I was kinda wondering the 4lbs with 5% overdrive too....figured it would have done better than that?? I plan to start on the dyno a touch overdriven and have pulleys to go up to 10% over depending on how much power I get and or boost it makes!?

LTZCrew 03-12-2019 10:34 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4676853)
Overdriven 8-71 on that setup and only made 4lbs? Id say either the blower is worn, or your throttle bodies are killing you.

brand new blower so i hope not
im thinking its a combo of the throttle bodies and the low compression 7.5 maybe 7.8:1.. not letting it really breath a ton.

i think if Daytona25 has a point of compression on me he should do it "easy".

MILD THUNDER 03-13-2019 11:41 AM


Originally Posted by LTZCrew (Post 4676878)
brand new blower so i hope not
im thinking its a combo of the throttle bodies and the low compression 7.5 maybe 7.8:1.. not letting it really breath a ton.

i think if Daytona25 has a point of compression on me he should do it "easy".

What size throttle bodies are they?

LTZCrew 03-13-2019 04:48 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4676959)
What size throttle bodies are they?

i was going to send you a pm to pick your brain so i dont hi jack this thread haha, stock 575sci units with the pods removed

Daytona25 03-13-2019 05:14 PM

Don’t worry about hi jacking the thread, I’m learning too!!

SB 03-13-2019 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by LTZCrew (Post 4677017)
i was going to send you a pm to pick your brain so i dont hi jack this thread haha, stock 575sci units with the pods removed

Figure somewhere around 750cfm or so per throttle body. They have 2" bores and now no injectors over them to impede airflow.

Daytona25 06-12-2019 07:27 AM

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14 apache 06-12-2019 09:18 AM


Originally Posted by Daytona25 (Post 4691465)

power looks pretty good. I don't know why he did 600rpm a sec. it would be nice to see o2 reAdings I see BSFC is very high on the top end may be power there if it's that Rich.

MILD THUNDER 06-12-2019 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by 14 apache (Post 4691491)

power looks pretty good. I don't know why he did 600rpm a sec. it would be nice to see o2 reAdings I see BSFC is very high on the top end may be power there if it's that Rich.

Id think by looking at the bsfcs, that thing is really rich! Afrs prob in the 10s

Daytona25 06-12-2019 11:02 AM

He did not have the ability to hook up o2 sensors so I’ll have to fine tune the rest out in my boat! Still happy with the power for the cubic inches though so far!! 3* timing was worth 50hp!

14 apache 06-12-2019 11:15 AM


Originally Posted by Daytona25 (Post 4691514)
He did not have the ability to hook up o2 sensors so I’ll have to fine tune the rest out in my boat! Still happy with the power for the cubic inches though so far!! 3* timing was worth 50hp!

be carful tuning for power with timing especially dynoing it at 600rpm a second. Watch how far down the ground strap it burns. There is a big difference at 600rpm to 100rpm a second. What heat range plugs you run on dyno?

Daytona25 06-12-2019 04:04 PM

Ground straps still showed it would have probably taken more timing than we put in it, started at 29* and could hardly tell the tip of the strap was colored then I slowed the blower down and took 2 jet sizes out of front and back of both carbs and made a second pull, it picked up tq and lost a few ho but still had a flat spot around 5800rpm so I bumped timing up to 32* and the motor pulled cleaner and sounded a lot better still shows timing mark before the elbow on the ground strap but that pull picked up another 10tq and 50hp and had a nice smooth power curve with no dips or stumbles so I left it there plan on checking plugs and air fuel ratio once it’s in the boat?

Daytona25 06-12-2019 04:05 PM


Daytona25 06-12-2019 04:05 PM

That’s first pull at 10% overdriven with 29* timing and 82 & 86 jets

Daytona25 06-12-2019 04:06 PM


Daytona25 06-12-2019 04:07 PM

That’s second pull at 4% overdriven still 29* timing and 80 & 84 jets

Daytona25 06-12-2019 04:08 PM


Daytona25 06-12-2019 04:09 PM

Final pull at 4% overdriven with 80&84 jets 32* timing left it alone after this one seemed to be happy there.

14 apache 06-12-2019 04:52 PM

Ran a pair of 1050s the timing mark on ground strap changed from 200rpm a second to 100rpm a second went from center of radius to base on plug. Just watch it in the boat 600rpm a second is not a good test for boat engine.

Daytona25 06-12-2019 05:57 PM

Ok, I’ll check one after the first short run, but isn’t 32* still a mild timing setting??

14 apache 06-12-2019 07:08 PM

Last two motors i did they ended up around 27* they where close to 9to1 they would burn the plugs up at 32* timing. I was arguing with a hot shot tuner on the turbo motors it picked up power with timing but you put the plugs under microscope it showed detonation. You might want to go buy one of those knock warning lights i posted on another tread. I have blown up new stuff and it sucks.

Daytona25 06-12-2019 07:44 PM

Mine is 8.2:1 with aluminum afr heads 335cc runners and 121cc chambers

Daytona25 06-12-2019 07:50 PM

It’s the same short block but with better rods as I had before just different heads and cam, also bigger blower which should cool charge down some?? Old motor ran 33* timing for 6yrs and 100hrs and was goin strong when I tore it down.

14 apache 06-12-2019 08:13 PM

Just keep an eye on it test it in the boat it would of bin nice to get some air fuel ratios on dyno that's kinda the reason for getting it dynod to start with.

Swamplizard 06-13-2019 07:26 AM

7200rpm???? In a boat???? Wow

SS496 06-13-2019 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by 14 apache (Post 4691594)
Just keep an eye on it test it in the boat it would of bin nice to get some air fuel ratios on dyno that's kinda the reason for getting it dynod to start with.

^agreed

Ive tuned in different calibrations on the same car for 1/4 mile vs 1/8 mile drag racing

Ive seen a perfectly happy 1/8 mile calibration burn down on a 1/4 mile run......

Id set it up in the boat with the most conservative setting....run it for a bit....then pull some plugs....go from there.

hogie roll 06-13-2019 08:27 PM


Originally Posted by Swamplizard (Post 4691639)
7200rpm???? In a boat???? Wow

Hard to pull the handle back at 600rpm/s :D

MILD THUNDER 06-14-2019 02:08 PM

My dyno operator did 100 or 150rpm per second pull on my boat engine. I didnt like it. We started the pull around 2800rpm, and ended it at 6500. The pull itself lasted like 30 seconds. Engine sounded like it was in a 6spd manual car and trying to accelerate from a dead stop in 6th gear. switched to 300rpm per sec.

my thoughts were, if my boat took 30 seconds to accelerate from 2800 to max rpm, id have to look behind to see if i was still tied to the dock.

Now if you wanna do steady state pull at max rpm, i like that.

14 apache 06-14-2019 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4691843)
My dyno operator did 100 or 150rpm per second pull on my boat engine. I didnt like it. We started the pull around 2800rpm, and ended it at 6500. The pull itself lasted like 30 seconds. Engine sounded like it was in a 6spd manual car and trying to accelerate from a dead stop in 6th gear. switched to 300rpm per sec.

my thoughts were, if my boat took 30 seconds to accelerate from 2800 to max rpm, id have to look behind to see if i was still tied to the dock.

Now if you wanna do steady state pull at max rpm, i like that.

That's funny the guy with the turbo motors left my shop and went outside he could not stand to watch it anymore.

Daytona25 07-07-2019 08:23 AM

First weekend out, motor ran awesome all weekend, but last outing the out drive was stuck in forward gear, broke the shift cable trying to pull it out of gear, what causes them to stick?? Felt like it had a load against it say if rpm were too high when trying to shift out but rpm was at 800 in gear like normal?? Bravo xr drive with 30-40 hrs on it and fresh drive oil before this weekend from bravo shop

14 apache 07-07-2019 08:42 AM

Cone clutch is stuck. Did boat catch air and rev high? That'd most common thing to happen.

Daytona25 07-07-2019 09:02 AM

No air time or over revs on that run took some people for a ride 8 miles round trip and run it up to 5000rpm twice but was easy on the throttle taking off and accelerated a few hundred rpm at a time to 5000 then slowed down the same?? So how do I free the cone clutch?? And now that it happened once will it be a reoccurring thing??

sutphen 30 07-07-2019 09:19 AM

cone clutch shaft probably broke.

14 apache 07-07-2019 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4695475)
cone clutch shaft probably broke.

You mean twisted? Or snapped?


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