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Precision 02-09-2019 07:24 PM


Originally Posted by 242LS (Post 4671968)


post some pics

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...1102ef711.jpeg

sutphen 30 02-10-2019 09:14 AM


Originally Posted by Precision (Post 4671962)
I love that this is catching on. 4-5 years ago everyone thought I was crazy for thinking I could build reliable LS engine that were turbo charged. This summer I put over 45 hours on my 42 Fountain without a hiccup. The best part was all the double takes as people walked by it at the Shootout while we had it tied up at Ron's.

Keep up the good work!

nice job,,what turbos did you go w/ ?

MILD THUNDER 02-10-2019 09:20 AM

I noticed you said you were replacing blown bbc engines that were burning 110gph EACH. Im hoping these were making at least 1000hp each neighborhood ?

I do understand some engine designs are more fuel efficient than others, but at some point it still takes x amount of fuel to make x amount of hp.

in the truck world, when the LS was an option along side the 8.1L bbc engine, the fuel savings were not all that impressive in my opinion. If you took a mid 2000s chevy 3500 dually 4x4 , with a 4.10 rear, and towed a boat, its not like the 8.1 got 8mpg while the 6.0 liter ls was getting 16mpg towing the same load. There was a small fuel mileage gain with the 6 liter, but it also didnt make nearly the torque the 8.1 liter did, nor did it make that torque at such a low rpm as the 8.1 liter did.

Ive had a few tow rigs . A 6 liter ford diesel, 5.4 gas ford, v10 gas ford, and 454 vortec chevy. They all got in the 8-10mpg range towing a heavy boat. My theory is it simply requires x amount of fuel to keep a truck/boat going at 70mph, and theres only so much fat to trim to get it done.

I dont buy the story that a 600hp LS is gonna be a huge game changer for your wallet at the gas pump over a similarly equipped bbc making 600hp.

That being said, looking forward to the results. Always fun to see something different being built.

Rookie 02-10-2019 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4672012)
I noticed you said you were replacing blown bbc engines that were burning 110gph EACH. Im hoping these were making at least 1000hp each neighborhood ?

I do understand some engine designs are more fuel efficient than others, but at some point it still takes x amount of fuel to make x amount of hp.

in the truck world, when the LS was an option along side the 8.1L bbc engine, the fuel savings were not all that impressive in my opinion. If you took a mid 2000s chevy 3500 dually 4x4 , with a 4.10 rear, and towed a boat, its not like the 8.1 got 8mpg while the 6.0 liter ls was getting 16mpg towing the same load. There was a small fuel mileage gain with the 6 liter, but it also didnt make nearly the torque the 8.1 liter did, nor did it make that torque at such a low rpm as the 8.1 liter did.

Ive had a few tow rigs . A 6 liter ford diesel, 5.4 gas ford, v10 gas ford, and 454 vortec chevy. They all got in the 8-10mpg range towing a heavy boat. My theory is it simply requires x amount of fuel to keep a truck/boat going at 70mph, and theres only so much fat to trim to get it done.

I dont buy the story that a 600hp LS is gonna be a huge game changer for your wallet at the gas pump over a similarly equipped bbc making 600hp.

That being said, looking forward to the results. Always fun to see something different being built.

I like the thought of these LS builds. I'm actually researching turbo LS's right now for my 1980 Turbo Trans Am build. (i'm ignorant) But, it seems that the LS community thinks they can break the laws of thermodynamics pertaining to fuel consumption. I believe they are confusing power per cubic inch and fuel efficiency. It's a smaller engine making huge power therefore it is easier on fuel. They are great power plants from what I am reading. I'm intrigued with this build.

Btw MT, that's why I went with the 3:73 8.1L truck...

Precision 02-10-2019 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4672010)
nice job,,what turbos did you go w/ ?

Thanks! These were garret with our water-cooled housings. Tial provides the basic housing, but we have to make quite a few modifications to fit the package. Moving forward all of our LS and Merc turbo kits are Zona Rotor. They are cast, machined and assembled right here in the USA with the marine environment in mind.

Precision 02-10-2019 11:13 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4672012)
I noticed you said you were replacing blown bbc engines that were burning 110gph EACH. Im hoping these were making at least 1000hp each neighborhood ?

I do understand some engine designs are more fuel efficient than others, but at some point it still takes x amount of fuel to make x amount of hp.

in the truck world, when the LS was an option along side the 8.1L bbc engine, the fuel savings were not all that impressive in my opinion. If you took a mid 2000s chevy 3500 dually 4x4 , with a 4.10 rear, and towed a boat, its not like the 8.1 got 8mpg while the 6.0 liter ls was getting 16mpg towing the same load. There was a small fuel mileage gain with the 6 liter, but it also didnt make nearly the torque the 8.1 liter did, nor did it make that torque at such a low rpm as the 8.1 liter did.

Ive had a few tow rigs . A 6 liter ford diesel, 5.4 gas ford, v10 gas ford, and 454 vortec chevy. They all got in the 8-10mpg range towing a heavy boat. My theory is it simply requires x amount of fuel to keep a truck/boat going at 70mph, and theres only so much fat to trim to get it done.

I dont buy the story that a 600hp LS is gonna be a huge game changer for your wallet at the gas pump over a similarly equipped bbc making 600hp.

That being said, looking forward to the results. Always fun to see something different being built.

I completely agree, Joe. The only cost savings to be had when it comes to A plat form to B plat for is how much fuel it consumes while at idle. Unless we are talking diesel, those are wildly efficient under load.

bhassett110 02-10-2019 03:49 PM

I am currently debating on whether I should reinstall a BBC 467 8.72:1 CR, or buy everything for the L92 with vvt delete, cam, lifters, and pushrod upgrade I have sitting in the garage for around $3500. Weight savings and the ability to spin higher rpm may justify the Tq loss some. But then again going to a 376(even stroked to 408) from a 467 is a big difference in low end Tq capabilities. This would be going in a 1977 24' Panther/cheetah/lancer all the same hull. I've been waking up for the past month every morning talking myself in and out of one or the other. That being said I' am interested to see how these turnout. Of course budget is a priority for me being young and trying to have some offshore fun, should probably just reinstall the 467 and enjoy boating... see here I go again talking myself out of the Ls.... Kids..
Those water cooled housings are pretty neat, did some research on that. I didn't realize how many are actually available.

phragle 02-10-2019 09:01 PM


Originally Posted by bhassett110 (Post 4672080)
I am currently debating on whether I should reinstall a BBC 467 8.72:1 CR, or buy everything for the L92 with vvt delete, cam, lifters, and pushrod upgrade I have sitting in the garage for around $3500. Weight savings and the ability to spin higher rpm may justify the Tq loss some. But then again going to a 376(even stroked to 408) from a 467 is a big difference in low end Tq capabilities. This would be going in a 1977 24' Panther/cheetah/lancer all the same hull. I've been waking up for the past month every morning talking myself in and out of one or the other. That being said I' am interested to see how these turnout. Of course budget is a priority for me being young and trying to have some offshore fun, should probably just reinstall the 467 and enjoy boating... see here I go again talking myself out of the Ls.... Kids..
Those water cooled housings are pretty neat, did some research on that. I didn't realize how many are actually available.

If your running a 24/7 in lake erie...weight is not your enemy.

Wildman_grafix 02-11-2019 07:12 AM

You painted the intake gasket surface or am I missing something?

Precision 02-11-2019 07:35 AM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4672117)
You painted the intake gasket surface or am I missing something?

Kinda, because it's o-rings. As long as the paint is cured it shoudn't cause a problem in a NA application.

bhassett110 02-11-2019 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by phragle (Post 4672102)
If your running a 24/7 in lake erie...weight is not your enemy.

Think my setup is around 3000-3500lbs as it sits I haven't weighed it yet, and yes lake Erie will be the majority of my boating. I can see how weight would help to a point. Either way I thought it would be neat to see an older boat like mine with a Ls swap especially because its kind of a newer generation thing. Then all the old die hard bbc guys could see the new with the old. Really just a good conversation piece while having some soda pops on a beach if anything.

mggdoors 02-12-2019 12:13 AM


Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix (Post 4672117)
You painted the intake gasket surface or am I missing something?

Yes. It will seal fine. Have done this several times. These engines use orings to seal

mggdoors 02-12-2019 12:25 AM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4672012)
I noticed you said you were replacing blown bbc engines that were burning 110gph EACH. Im hoping these were making at least 1000hp each neighborhood ?

I do understand some engine designs are more fuel efficient than others, but at some point it still takes x amount of fuel to make x amount of hp.

in the truck world, when the LS was an option along side the 8.1L bbc engine, the fuel savings were not all that impressive in my opinion. If you took a mid 2000s chevy 3500 dually 4x4 , with a 4.10 rear, and towed a boat, its not like the 8.1 got 8mpg while the 6.0 liter ls was getting 16mpg towing the same load. There was a small fuel mileage gain with the 6 liter, but it also didnt make nearly the torque the 8.1 liter did, nor did it make that torque at such a low rpm as the 8.1 liter did.

Ive had a few tow rigs . A 6 liter ford diesel, 5.4 gas ford, v10 gas ford, and 454 vortec chevy. They all got in the 8-10mpg range towing a heavy boat. My theory is it simply requires x amount of fuel to keep a truck/boat going at 70mph, and theres only so much fat to trim to get it done.

I dont buy the story that a 600hp LS is gonna be a huge game changer for your wallet at the gas pump over a similarly equipped bbc making 600hp.

That being said, looking forward to the results. Always fun to see something different being built.

When comparing na to na I would say by the example you set of the 8.1, which my brother owns currently, or my old 6.0 the 8.1 got 7-8 mpg towing my boat while my 6.0 got 10-11. So just for argument sake, on the street 2-3 mpg is miniscule. But on a boat that 20% difference, especially on a boat at the rate that fuel is condumed compared to the street is huge. Then throw twins into the mix and its a clear win win. But going to how I was comparing my blower motors (870hp @ 5800) to now smsllblock na engines the difference is astronomical. I wont miss the few hundred hp. Lol. Well I will but reality is that kinda power in my daytona was rarely used to full push. My pocket book will never miss them. Look up some dyno sheets with bsfc and just do the math. There really is a significant difference when comparing similar hp ls to bbc

MILD THUNDER 02-12-2019 03:13 PM


Originally Posted by mggdoors (Post 4672239)

Look up some dyno sheets with bsfc and just do the math. There really is a significant difference when comparing similar hp ls to bbc

that was why i was asking about how much power your blower motors were making that were consuming 110gph worth of fuel. At only 870hp, that BSFC number would be off the chart .

Theres alot of NA bbc engines being built today, that have great cylinder heads, proper camshafts, induction etc, that net sub .500 brake specifics. Of course if some slapped together old turd with a pig rich carb on top , and an overall poor combo, then yes it will be a guzzler.

mggdoors 02-12-2019 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by MILD THUNDER (Post 4672346)
that was why i was asking about how much power your blower motors were making that were consuming 110gph worth of fuel. At only 870hp, that BSFC number would be off the chart .

Theres alot of NA bbc engines being built today, that have great cylinder heads, proper camshafts, induction etc, that net sub .500 brake specifics. Of course if some slapped together old turd with a pig rich carb on top , and an overall poor combo, then yes it will be a guzzler.

My quick in the he head math of 110 was wrong. My bsfc was. .63x which equates out to around 90. Keep in mind I ran an annular carb which does tend to burn more fuel in the higher rpms. Still a d**k ton of fuel. A good bsfc on an ls is .39-.43. My combo may or may not reack that as I feel my exhaust will hurt me until next season when I go to headers. The dyno will tell the tale soon. Fabbing brackets and modifying harness as we speak.

mggdoors 02-15-2019 05:33 PM


Hot Rod 29 02-15-2019 06:17 PM

Nice. I can’t decide to paint my engine or leave bare aluminum. But, that looks very nice.

mggdoors 02-15-2019 06:44 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod 29 (Post 4672890)
Nice. I can’t decide to paint my engine or leave bare aluminum. But, that looks very nice.

Thanks. For me it was easy. I used iron blocks. My gto has an aluminum block and I swear it attracts grime so never again with straight aluminum.

sutphen 30 02-15-2019 07:59 PM

looking awesome

mggdoors 02-15-2019 09:22 PM

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...b3d8c912e.jpegA little more engine porn. Just sprayed exhaust.

mggdoors 02-15-2019 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4672915)
looking awesome

Thanks

sutphen 30 02-16-2019 01:31 PM

what accessory brackets are you using?is the circ. pump(bolts onto engine block) a gm unit or a modded one?

mggdoors 02-16-2019 02:10 PM


Originally Posted by sutphen 30 (Post 4672992)
what accessory brackets are you using?is the circ. pump(bolts onto engine block) a gm unit or a modded one?

ac delco 2008 silverado 2500 6.0. Modded. Heater hose in out tapped 3/8 and 1/2 npt. 3/8 will be plugged. 1/2 will get 12an to feed exhaust until thermostat opens. Brackets are ict billet low alternator mount truck soacing.

mggdoors 02-16-2019 02:11 PM

Gonna go insane with this insanely long msd woring harness. Time to bust out the solder gun. Chop chop chop. Snip snip snip

Hot Rod 29 02-17-2019 01:08 PM

I like the blue with the black intake. That is nice.

Hot Rod 29 02-27-2019 08:13 AM


ezstriper 02-28-2019 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod 29 (Post 4674650)

Nice looking setup...not sure how the 102 mm TB going to be on a boat...may hurt the power where you need it most

hogie roll 02-28-2019 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4674839)
Nice looking setup...not sure how the 102 mm TB going to be on a boat...may hurt the power where you need it most

They never make less power anywhere that I’ve seen. Tip in will alter though.

mggdoors 03-01-2019 02:37 PM

First off before you beat me up the is not the ginal mounting location and the bypass port on the stsinlesshousing will be cut off and a 90 12an stainless fitting will be tig welded in place there. It will end up on the valkey pan horizontally mounted. Just a reference on how to save a f**c ton of money vs hardin unit. That being said this moroso housing is the same as the speedmaster (pro comp). The speedmaster can be had for $20 less. This is how you make a raw water remote thermostat for in my case less than $200 per motor. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...56cb5bc27.jpeghttps://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...853c9d150.jpeg
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2bbbf0397.jpeg
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https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2de26c8ef.jpeg
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https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...d671d8c2a.jpeg

mggdoors 03-01-2019 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4674871)


They never make less power anywhere that I’ve seen. Tip in will alter though.

The throttle body will be fine. The intake will hurt you bad below 5k. Ive ran that intake on a car before. Like to rev to make good power at 6-65k plus

mggdoors 03-01-2019 02:45 PM


Hot Rod 29 03-01-2019 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by ezstriper (Post 4674839)
Nice looking setup...not sure how the 102 mm TB going to be on a boat...may hurt the power where you need it most

where I need it the most is above 6,000. This boat is under 5000 lbs with 2 of these motors. I don’t need any extra torque. I’m sure these motors will have more horses and ft lbs than the old school 5.7’s that came out.

mggdoors 03-01-2019 04:02 PM


Originally Posted by Hot Rod 29 (Post 4675077)


where I need it the most is above 6,000. This boat is under 5000 lbs with 2 of these motors. I don’t need any extra torque. I’m sure these motors will have more horses and ft lbs than the old school 5.7’s that came out.

The old 5.7 and big blocks vs LS engines dont even belong in the same category. Light years ahead. Yours will be a goid runner just not optimal intake for rpm range of a boat but will mske good power regardless

Hot Rod 29 03-01-2019 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by mggdoors (Post 4675062)

The throttle body will be fine. The intake will hurt you bad below 5k. Ive ran that intake on a car before. Like to rev to make good power at 6-65k plus

What engine did you have?

under 10/10 loss below 5000 rpm’s on a 6.2. But above 5000 should be 15-20 gain. It’s what I wanted. Upper end horses. Broad power curve. It will still make more power than the 5.7’s from 1500 rpm up.

Hot Rod 29 03-01-2019 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by mggdoors (Post 4675078)

The old 5.7 and big blocks vs LS engines dont even belong in the same category. Light years ahead. Yours will be a goid runner just not optimal intake for rpm range of a boat but will mske good power regardless

that intake design is no different than a 525 efi or the intake that came off of the 5.7’s. Straight runners with an open plenum.

mggdoors 03-01-2019 05:15 PM

I just realuzed it is fitech. I tjought it was holley sniper intake, which is the one I tested before. Very similar design but have to testing on that intake to backup previous statement as it is not the holley. Disregard

Wildman_grafix 03-02-2019 07:44 AM

I like the remote coil mounts.

3rdcoastpowersports 03-02-2019 11:50 AM

Pretty cool setup honestly. Nice tight little package. Well done OP!
Plus its an LS and we all know they rock (make big power and a monkey can work on them)!

mggdoors 03-18-2019 06:16 PM


242LS 03-18-2019 06:25 PM

You almost want to go straight to a museum so it doesn't get dirty. Beautiful.

BTW - Does anyone have the dyno sheet/numbers for a stock Merc 330 or 420? I'd love to see how the torque numbers compare.


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