Go Back  Offshoreonly.com > Technical > General Q & A
Alternative header attachment on 525EFI's ? >

Alternative header attachment on 525EFI's ?

Notices

Alternative header attachment on 525EFI's ?

Old 02-05-2019 | 09:30 AM
  #1  
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 6
From: Long Island, NY
Default Alternative header attachment on 525EFI's ?

Every spring before the season, I remove and pressure test my headers (all 6 of them) for leaks and every year, I wrestle with getting the two inboard headers on the two rear engines back on. Getting those header bolts started and ensuring they don't cross thread while trying to maneuver the socket wrench and not drop the bolts into the bilge is always a challenge and due to the angle of the inboard port engine header, there are two bolts that take forever to get started and I usually end up with bloody knuckles. I use two headless bolts on the end holes to hold the header while I get one or two bolts in and that gave me the following idea.

I was thinking of screwing 3/8" stainless steel fully-threaded studs into the head, dropping the header in, and then securing with serrated flange nuts torqued to the same value as the header bolts normally are (ie: 35 ft/lbs).

Is there a reason(s) that this wouldn't work or is a bad idea?
HyFive578 is offline  
Reply
Old 02-05-2019 | 09:46 AM
  #2  
F-2 Speedy's Avatar
Platinum Member
Community Builder
10 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 11,430
Likes: 3,957
From: Midwest & T-Rock
Default

Originally Posted by HyFive578
Every spring before the season, I remove and pressure test my headers (all 6 of them) for leaks and every year, I wrestle with getting the two inboard headers on the two rear engines back on. Getting those header bolts started and ensuring they don't cross thread while trying to maneuver the socket wrench and not drop the bolts into the bilge is always a challenge and due to the angle of the inboard port engine header, there are two bolts that take forever to get started and I usually end up with bloody knuckles. I use two headless bolts on the end holes to hold the header while I get one or two bolts in and that gave me the following idea.

I was thinking of screwing 3/8" stainless steel fully-threaded studs into the head, dropping the header in, and then securing with serrated flange nuts torqued to the same value as the header bolts normally are (ie: 35 ft/lbs).

Is there a reason(s) that this wouldn't work or is a bad idea?
Yep, Id do it on all three engines, that's why the header gasket is notched, slide the header on start the outside nuts and drop in the gasket from the top and it rest's on the studs
F-2 Speedy is offline  
Reply
Old 02-05-2019 | 09:50 AM
  #3  
cigrocket's Avatar
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 2,590
Likes: 173
From: Endicott, NY
Default

F2- Speedy is all over the answer. Also switch out the bolts to STAGE 8 LOCKING BOLTS. Then they won't loosen up throughout the season. They stay tight. Just my 2 cents
cigrocket is offline  
Reply
Old 02-05-2019 | 10:39 AM
  #4  
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 6
From: Long Island, NY
Default

Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
Yep, Id do it on all three engines, that's why the header gasket is notched, slide the header on start the outside nuts and drop in the gasket from the top and it rest's on the studs
Just to be clear, are you saying that you agree that I can do what I'm proposing?
HyFive578 is offline  
Reply
Old 02-05-2019 | 10:41 AM
  #5  
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 6
From: Long Island, NY
Default

Originally Posted by cigrocket
F2- Speedy is all over the answer. Also switch out the bolts to STAGE 8 LOCKING BOLTS. Then they won't loosen up throughout the season. They stay tight. Just my 2 cents
Great suggestion, although loosening bolts has never been a problem for me. I'm also trying to get away from using bolts; that's the whole point of using studs and nuts.
HyFive578 is offline  
Reply
Old 02-05-2019 | 10:42 AM
  #6  
F-2 Speedy's Avatar
Platinum Member
Community Builder
10 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 11,430
Likes: 3,957
From: Midwest & T-Rock
Default

Originally Posted by HyFive578
Just to be clear, are you saying that you agree that I can do what I'm proposing?
yes, install the studs in the outer two holes in the heads
F-2 Speedy is offline  
Reply
Old 02-05-2019 | 10:50 AM
  #7  
Thread Starter
Registered
 
Joined: May 2013
Posts: 1,754
Likes: 6
From: Long Island, NY
Default

Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
yes, install the studs in the outer two holes in the heads
OK, I should have been clearer in my initial post. What I'm proposing is using studs in ALL 8 (per side) of the holes in the head, not just the outer two.

The complications I can think of are whether there is enough clearance between the bolt holes on the header flange to accommodate the increased width of the flange nuts and is their enough room to get a 9/16" socket in there versus a 3/8" socket.

Last edited by HyFive578; 02-05-2019 at 11:15 AM.
HyFive578 is offline  
Reply
Old 02-05-2019 | 11:14 AM
  #8  
F-2 Speedy's Avatar
Platinum Member
Community Builder
10 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 11,430
Likes: 3,957
From: Midwest & T-Rock
Default

Originally Posted by HyFive578
OK, I should have been clearer in my initial post. What I'm proposing is using studs in ALL 8 (per side) of the holes in the head, not just the outer two.
I see, if you have the clearance on the tubes, those CMI sweeper headers tube angle get tight on the left bank
F-2 Speedy is offline  
Reply
Old 02-05-2019 | 11:34 AM
  #9  
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Posts: 6,213
Likes: 377
From: Plainville/Old Lyme, CT Boca Raton, FL
Default

Wouldn't it be easier to just leave them on and pressure test with air?
302Sport is offline  
Reply
Old 02-05-2019 | 12:39 PM
  #10  
Registered
10 Year Member
 
Joined: Jun 2011
Posts: 2,169
Likes: 82
From: Henderson, KY
Default

I see no problem with the idea. But clearance for the nut (and a wrench/socket) will generally be the problem with this idea. You may look at ARP for a solution. I think some tubes will be ok, but others are going to require a bolt with small head.
ALL_IN! is offline  
Reply

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.