2 stroke compression question
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Picture with 2 plugs is day that problem started. Picture with single plug has 3 minutes of run time. Changed both plugs twice and fouled right away. I have to find other plugs. Top cylinder was definitely worse than bottom.
I was thinking issue with spark as well? It does spark but how do I test if the coils are working correctly?
I was thinking issue with spark as well? It does spark but how do I test if the coils are working correctly?
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I have a new hg and thermostat ordered. Hopefully they will be here the beginning of the week. I'll reassemble and do a leak down test.
I am also running an aftermarket set of reeds. I'm going to put the stock reeds back in as well.
I'm just curious why the compression is low?
Thanks for all the help everyone!!! I'll report back after I run it.
I am also running an aftermarket set of reeds. I'm going to put the stock reeds back in as well.
I'm just curious why the compression is low?
Thanks for all the help everyone!!! I'll report back after I run it.
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I'm not sure why none of your photos show BOTH cylinders, but what little I can see shows one plug looking like it is brand new and the other looking pretty typical for a mid-hour 2 stroke plug.
Wish I could see both piston crowns and both combustion chambers.
My guess is you overheated it and got water in the cylinders.
The cheap route would be to run a flat file across the cylinder deck and the head, pit on a new head gasket, torque it in the correct sequence to the correct torque, and then with plugs out and throttle open - recheck compression. If its still under 115 you will be looking at total disassembly. If compression is back up, inspect/replace water pump impeller and make sure there is no debris in the thermostat area. If you don't run in cold weather, you can remove the thermostat completely. Check the water "pee stream" frequently Anniston for changes in the sound of the exhaust (low water flow usually changes the exhaust note).
Wish I could see both piston crowns and both combustion chambers.
My guess is you overheated it and got water in the cylinders.
The cheap route would be to run a flat file across the cylinder deck and the head, pit on a new head gasket, torque it in the correct sequence to the correct torque, and then with plugs out and throttle open - recheck compression. If its still under 115 you will be looking at total disassembly. If compression is back up, inspect/replace water pump impeller and make sure there is no debris in the thermostat area. If you don't run in cold weather, you can remove the thermostat completely. Check the water "pee stream" frequently Anniston for changes in the sound of the exhaust (low water flow usually changes the exhaust note).
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This is the top cylinder
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bottom cylinder
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I have to find the old plugs. After installing new plugs they would come out all black/glossy instantly. The bottom plug wasn't as bad, but still fouled. I'm thinking the water was cleaning the plug off.
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Well the plot thickens.
I removed the plate on the side of the cylinders to take a look. I found a piece of aluminum that corroded off the exhaust port wall that was blocking the flow. Water was leaking into one cylinder.
Looks like it not worth repairing. The cylinder itself is $1200 to replace.
I really don't want to go to a 4 stroke because of the weight. I don't have a trailer for the raft and carry the engine from the basement to the truck. This engine weighs about 80lbs which is about the limit of what I want to lug around. A 15-20hp 4 stroke is about a 100lbs. Problem is all the 2 strokes are getting older and could be the same issue.
I removed the plate on the side of the cylinders to take a look. I found a piece of aluminum that corroded off the exhaust port wall that was blocking the flow. Water was leaking into one cylinder.
Looks like it not worth repairing. The cylinder itself is $1200 to replace.
I really don't want to go to a 4 stroke because of the weight. I don't have a trailer for the raft and carry the engine from the basement to the truck. This engine weighs about 80lbs which is about the limit of what I want to lug around. A 15-20hp 4 stroke is about a 100lbs. Problem is all the 2 strokes are getting older and could be the same issue.
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Yes, you are right.. Nobody makes ultralight 2 stroke outboards anymore. It's a shame. For what you describe, I would look into a powerhead or block.
Complete powerhead -
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Outb...-/254663384100
Above motor may have salt rot in it. I suppose you could ask the guy to pull off the exhaust chest cover and send pictures...
Or, here is a very pretty bare block. You might want pictures of the cylinders..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/15HP-63V-15...-/273383360024
Complete powerhead -
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-Outb...-/254663384100
Above motor may have salt rot in it. I suppose you could ask the guy to pull off the exhaust chest cover and send pictures...
Or, here is a very pretty bare block. You might want pictures of the cylinders..
https://www.ebay.com/itm/15HP-63V-15...-/273383360024
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Well the plot thickens.
I removed the plate on the side of the cylinders to take a look. I found a piece of aluminum that corroded off the exhaust port wall that was blocking the flow. Water was leaking into one cylinder.
Looks like it not worth repairing. The cylinder itself is $1200 to replace.
I really don't want to go to a 4 stroke because of the weight. I don't have a trailer for the raft and carry the engine from the basement to the truck. This engine weighs about 80lbs which is about the limit of what I want to lug around. A 15-20hp 4 stroke is about a 100lbs. Problem is all the 2 strokes are getting older and could be the same issue.
I removed the plate on the side of the cylinders to take a look. I found a piece of aluminum that corroded off the exhaust port wall that was blocking the flow. Water was leaking into one cylinder.
Looks like it not worth repairing. The cylinder itself is $1200 to replace.
I really don't want to go to a 4 stroke because of the weight. I don't have a trailer for the raft and carry the engine from the basement to the truck. This engine weighs about 80lbs which is about the limit of what I want to lug around. A 15-20hp 4 stroke is about a 100lbs. Problem is all the 2 strokes are getting older and could be the same issue.