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articfriends 12-01-2021 01:50 PM

Same way with the old post saying someone beat/or ate the "inferior" seats out of their AFR heads in less than 20 hrs yet I have 400 + boosted hours on the "normal" seats in my V-1 AFRS (with tiny touch up vj at every frreshen), I dont always grasp whats going on with these valve train issues, ie, some motors are perfectly fine, others eat the stuff for breakfast, Smitty

KWright 12-01-2021 02:11 PM

I use Jeff Johnson valve covers with oilers,they have a vertical bar in front of the springs. When I moved to the oilers I noticed a rise in temps especially after extended pulls. 6000 rpm range.

ICDEDPPL 12-01-2021 04:11 PM


Originally Posted by KWright (Post 4813862)
I use Jeff Johnson valve covers with oilers,they have a vertical bar in front of the springs. When I moved to the oilers I noticed a rise in temps especially after extended pulls. 6000 rpm range.

Id say that was proof that they cool down the springs, no ?

KWright 12-01-2021 04:46 PM

Yes they do. But like anything else it's more than just adding them. Is your pump capable of handling the extra capacity? Do you have enough sump in your pan for the added volume, also drain back if you rely on stock you will be creating alot more windage. For us it was worth the effort, when we freshened the heads valve spring pressures were spit on.

ICDEDPPL 12-01-2021 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by KWright (Post 4813874)
Yes they do. But like anything else it's more than just adding them. Is your pump capable of handling the extra capacity? Do you have enough sump in your pan for the added volume, also drain back if you rely on stock you will be creating alot more windage. For us it was worth the effort, when we freshened the heads valve spring pressures were spit on.

Ive had em on for a few years now . external pump has more than enough capacity and pan has a full windage tray


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...1101e1c192.jpg

KWright 12-01-2021 06:44 PM

Peterson are nice pumps. We run a 4 stage peterson, it allows us to run 10 inches of vacuum.

ICDEDPPL 12-02-2021 03:57 PM

I only run one stage , I feel so inadequate.:pacifier:

KWright 12-02-2021 04:18 PM

Lol Its a huge upgrade from a wet sump pump. Not only have you reduced the torsional flex on your cam from driving the pump but also reducing load on your timing chain or belt. For anyone not wanting to spend on a full dry sump system, definitely the way to go.

TylerBurich 12-18-2021 10:39 AM

Well the Engine Masters "Tunnel Cram" episode didn't disappoint. I'm really glad they had marine engines in the discussion. Dan, I think you are on to something here.

F-2 Speedy 12-18-2021 10:58 AM

And the oil filter episode last night was interesting also with Fram gold and Wix racing leading the pac and the little blue guy not far behind

hogie roll 12-18-2021 11:02 AM


Originally Posted by TylerBurich (Post 4815452)
Well the Engine Masters "Tunnel Cram" episode didn't disappoint. I'm really glad they had marine engines in the discussion. Dan, I think you are on to something here.

That episode is why he pulled the trigger. If y’all have the MT app is aired a long time ago.

ICDEDPPL 12-18-2021 11:18 AM

See I fricken told you!!!!! :D
That episode is also why I went the route I did . lol
I think some injector bosses are in order thou. Wish they would have done a 10 o2`s test to see fuel distribution.


hogie roll 12-20-2021 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4815460)
See I fricken told you!!!!! :D
That episode is also why I went the route I did . lol
I think some injector bosses are in order thou. Wish they would have done a 10 o2`s test to see fuel distribution.

Yeah it’s the only downside to that manifold.

Edelbrock sells a nice looking TR with bosses and fuel rails. I’ve not seen it tested against the profiler, but I bet the profiler is still better.

getrdunn 12-20-2021 05:51 PM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4815702)
Yeah it’s the only downside to that manifold.

Edelbrock sells a nice looking TR with bosses and fuel rails. I’ve not seen it tested against the profiler, but I bet the profiler is still better.

i ordered mine from alcoholdiggy but they were for tall decks. An error. No big deal but the 9.8’s were like six unknown months out min. I asked Valako about the more current eddy 7085’s I think and he said get them if I could.

hogie roll 12-20-2021 06:04 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4815704)
i ordered mine from alcoholdiggy but they were for tall decks. An error. No big deal but the 9.8’s were like six unknown months out min. I asked Valako about the more current eddy 7085’s I think and he said get them if I could.

If you get the 7085s take some measurements for us if you don’t mind. Inlet and outlet port size, runner length and plenum volume.

That Wilson ported Dart TR that brûlée has works awesome too. But I don’t think those are very good stock.

The profiler is actually great for a boat because the runners are pretty long. Drag race guys actually need it a bit shorter for higher RPM power. They also pick up a little power with the profiler when they add 100-150 cubic inches of plenum volume. I think it’s about 450ci stock, and taking them up to match the engine volume works well.

I’m not sure why the plenum volume = engine displacement equation works well on TRs but testing shows that it holds up.

ICDEDPPL 12-20-2021 08:16 PM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4815704)
i ordered mine from alcoholdiggy but they were for tall decks. An error. No big deal but the 9.8’s were like six unknown months out min. I asked Valako about the more current eddy 7085’s I think and he said get them if I could.

So when they told me I got the last 2 I guess they weren`t kidding.sorry buddy

ICDEDPPL 12-20-2021 08:22 PM

I thought these were cool vs the standard fuel rail.

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...c4d988e61f.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...9bb181a9e1.png

underpsi68 12-20-2021 10:05 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4815724)

This was my friends street car. If you look closely, you can see 8 injectors on each side.
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...4e6a57a194.jpg

ICDEDPPL 12-21-2021 10:04 AM

Aren`t those mechanical injection nozzles?

bob 12-21-2021 12:10 PM

KE has some Profiler's for tall decks that he is in process of adding bosses to I believe. Probably can do the supercharger adapter plates as well.

underpsi68 12-21-2021 08:39 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4815755)
Aren`t those mechanical injection nozzles?

No sir

Bosch 36lb or 42lb injectors. I forget it had been over 10 years ago. ECU was a FAST Classic. I had a bear of a time tuning it. Could be some of the reasons listed plus if I remember correctly, it was batch fired.

I'll try to find better pictures and post them if I do.

KWright 12-22-2021 03:25 PM

At this point I would just call Hogan and have him build you exactly what you want. In the end probably be the same amount of money.

ICDEDPPL 12-22-2021 09:26 PM

Hulk Hogan?

Gimme Fuel 12-23-2021 08:44 AM


Originally Posted by hogie roll (Post 4815708)
If you get the 7085s take some measurements for us if you don’t mind. Inlet and outlet port size, runner length and plenum volume.

That Wilson ported Dart TR that brûlée has works awesome too. But I don’t think those are very good stock.

The profiler is actually great for a boat because the runners are pretty long. Drag race guys actually need it a bit shorter for higher RPM power. They also pick up a little power with the profiler when they add 100-150 cubic inches of plenum volume. I think it’s about 450ci stock, and taking them up to match the engine volume works well.

I’m not sure why the plenum volume = engine displacement equation works well on TRs but testing shows that it holds up.

Yes the newer Edelbrock TR casting looks nice especially already setup with injector provisions. I'd like to know the runner port size and length too. Seems pretty big unless going for 7,000+ RPM and or 600+ inches. Would be nice if they took the smaller CSA TR2 model and modernized it. The TR market seems to only cater to nostalgic customers with the old skool models or the hardcore drag racers with huge runners and carb setups. Nothing in-between.

bob 12-23-2021 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by Gimme Fuel (Post 4815998)
Yes the newer Edelbrock TR casting looks nice especially already setup with injector provisions. I'd like to know the runner port size and length too. Seems pretty big unless going for 7,000+ RPM and or 600+ inches. Would be nice if they took the smaller CSA TR2 model and modernized it. The TR market seems to only cater to nostalgic customers with the old skool models or the hardcore drag racers with huge runners and carb setups. Nothing in-between.

Looks like a nice piece except I don't believe it is available for tall deck though.

getrdunn 12-23-2021 10:02 AM


Originally Posted by bob (Post 4816001)
Looks like a nice piece except I don't believe it is available for tall deck though.

Everybody currently looking is std.

cheech 12-23-2021 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by ICDEDPPL (Post 4815961)
Hulk Hogan?

Here: Hulk of manifolds :cool-smiley-027:
Didn't know if you were being sarcastic or if you haven't heard of them. LOL

ICDEDPPL 12-23-2021 03:19 PM


Originally Posted by cheech (Post 4816022)
Here: Hulk of manifolds :cool-smiley-027:
Didn't know if you were being sarcastic or if you haven't heard of them. LOL

I was not aware of that company but holy smokes those things are like works of art!
I`m guessing the prices are not going to be cheap.

F-2 Speedy 12-23-2021 03:35 PM

this one is 4,800 smackaroooo's


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3224e9e9ac.jpg

speicher lane 12-23-2021 03:42 PM

^^^^^ QC4V pricing but waaaaay cooler to look at!

If it keeps the AF ratio true in each cylinder, you will keep the engine from grenading... Unless you really like paying your rebuilder yty

KWright 12-23-2021 03:49 PM

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...8368fea2bc.jpg
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...2a2addd508.jpg
https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...842972b6e1.jpg
The ones they made for my 525 efi's.

F-2 Speedy 12-23-2021 05:18 PM

I was watching *****in rides looks like a Hogan ?


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...3896339e16.jpg

SB 12-23-2021 05:55 PM

Speedy, look up Marcella Intakes. :)

Unlimited jd 12-23-2021 08:02 PM

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...5bf72944b.jpeg
I’ll get a better pic next week, but we have Wilson sheet metal intakes under the whipple 8.3’s on these.

Rookie 12-23-2021 08:57 PM

I was looking into this below my Whipple on my 302, but the stack up is 14.5". A little too much sticking out of the hood.
I don't think an EFI one is available for BBC.
https://www.holley.com/products/engi...arts/300-274BK
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...469b956caa.jpg

Rookie 12-23-2021 09:20 PM

Well son of a bitc#... This might work.
https://www.edelbrock.com/victor-ram...ons-70855.html
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...7c8a7507e5.jpg

ICDEDPPL 12-24-2021 09:52 AM


Originally Posted by getrdunn (Post 4816011)
Everybody currently looking is std.

Maybe this guy might have some stock..

https://www.racingjunk.com/intake-ma...UNNEL-RAM.html

articfriends 12-25-2021 10:15 AM

Keith, what kinda torque did you see with those? Do you know the approx runner length. The edelbrock pro flow which is 90% similar to your intakes has almost touched 700 hp on 89 octane with a couple different 502s on my dyno with oval port heads. The tq numbers though were nothing super spectacular and runners are about 6" long, Smitty

getrdunn 12-25-2021 10:18 AM

Why are the tops 4500 only. Either single or dual. At least in profiler and eddy?

KWright 12-25-2021 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by articfriends (Post 4816143)
Keith, what kinda torque did you see with those? Do you know the approx runner length. The edelbrock pro flow which is 90% similar to your intakes has almost touched 700 hp on 89 octane with a couple different 502s on my dyno with oval port heads. The tq numbers though were nothing super spectacular and runners are about 6" long, Smitty

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...a52a204fb7.jpg
these are 565 cu in, 9.3 comp. They have the RFD 23b heads.
they were dynoed in full boat trim with the big tube headers
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.off...ef0e94d364.jpg


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