Go Back  Offshoreonly.com > Technical > General Q & A
Cam lobe wear - 502 MPI >

Cam lobe wear - 502 MPI

Notices

Cam lobe wear - 502 MPI

Thread Tools
 
Old 09-09-2022 | 07:23 PM
  #41  
Registered
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 2,075
Likes: 1,194
From: Murrayville Georgia
Default

a few years ago I decided I needed an old jet boat so I bought a 1974 Cee Bee Avenger project boat. I swore I was not going to spend any more than I had to. in the end I pieced together a junk 454 with all used parts and rebuilt the boat. the total engine cost was $800 and I had a total of $2400 in the entire boat. I ran the crap out of that motor for 2 years with it on the limit the whole time. most fun I ever had with a boat because it was fun and if the engine blew up I didnt care. seems the more you spend on them the more you stress over the money you spend on them.
compedgemarine is offline  
Reply
Old 09-09-2022 | 07:46 PM
  #42  
TomZ's Avatar
Platinum Member
25 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,295
Likes: 1,457
From: Virginia Beach
Default

Originally Posted by DrFeelgood
No real history. 2 prior owners were basically clueless about any of it. Best I can tell, boat changed hands in 2004 and these motors were built then.

Port motor will be totally gone through this fall/winter. If starboard motor doesn't run perfectly after head refresh then I'll pull it and have it gone through as well.

I'm not stressing about it. After dumping $45K into my old Cigarette for 2 new engine builds from a supposedly well regarded marine engine builder, and still having an unreliable boat, I'm taking the low buck approach this time and not expecting miracles.
It’s what we love. It’s what we do. Can’t take it with you anyway.
TomZ is offline  
Reply
Old 09-15-2022 | 11:19 AM
  #43  
articfriends's Avatar
Platinum Member
20 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,317
Likes: 1,037
From: frankenmuth michigan
Default

so I plugged both your ECMS in yesterday and pulled the tunes, they matched. They ARE modded but so little they would work with your current cam or stock as very little has been changed.
rev limiter was raised to 5400
5 to 7 degrees of timing was added at a dead idle from 200 rpms to 800,900, presumably to make it idle stronger but spark stabilization was untouched which does same thing if it needs it at idle for most part. Putting it in the map vs rpm will make it hunt less, would still work fine with stock cam.
2% fuel was pulled out of the last map vs rpm at 100 map in ONE box
no real fueling or timing changes were done anywhere aside from that 1 bpw vs rpm box that would change tune at all under a load, Smitty
Smitty
articfriends is offline  
Reply
Old 09-15-2022 | 03:23 PM
  #44  
Thread Starter
Registered
Veteran: Army
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,422
Likes: 1,062
From: Orlando, FL
Default

Originally Posted by articfriends
so I plugged both your ECMS in yesterday and pulled the tunes, they matched. They ARE modded but so little they would work with your current cam or stock as very little has been changed.
rev limiter was raised to 5400
5 to 7 degrees of timing was added at a dead idle from 200 rpms to 800,900, presumably to make it idle stronger but spark stabilization was untouched which does same thing if it needs it at idle for most part. Putting it in the map vs rpm will make it hunt less, would still work fine with stock cam.
2% fuel was pulled out of the last map vs rpm at 100 map in ONE box
no real fueling or timing changes were done anywhere aside from that 1 bpw vs rpm box that would change tune at all under a load, Smitty
Smitty
Thanks Smitty! So, I'll go back to stock cam in the port motor and if the Stbd motor has to come apart at any point I'll do the same.

In your opinion, would I be better off having you return the tunes to stock, or leave them as-is?

DrFeelgood is offline  
Reply
Old 09-15-2022 | 03:29 PM
  #45  
TomZ's Avatar
Platinum Member
25 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,295
Likes: 1,457
From: Virginia Beach
Default

What about waking them up a little with some better cams and a little bit of Smitty’s knowhow to get you a good combination?

TomZ is offline  
Reply
Old 09-15-2022 | 03:54 PM
  #46  
Thread Starter
Registered
Veteran: Army
15 Year Member
 
Joined: Aug 2007
Posts: 1,422
Likes: 1,062
From: Orlando, FL
Default

Originally Posted by TomZ
What about waking them up a little with some better cams and a little bit of Smitty’s knowhow to get you a good combination?

I could be talked into that if Smitty thinks a good result can be obtained without hands-on tuning.

Otherwise I'd just as soon stay stock and turn the key and go boating, yaknow?

DrFeelgood is offline  
Reply
Old 09-15-2022 | 04:27 PM
  #47  
TomZ's Avatar
Platinum Member
25 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 4,295
Likes: 1,457
From: Virginia Beach
Default

Originally Posted by DrFeelgood
I could be talked into that if Smitty thinks a good result can be obtained without hands-on tuning.

Otherwise I'd just as soon stay stock and turn the key and go boating, yaknow?
Absolutely!!
TomZ is offline  
Reply
Old 09-15-2022 | 08:55 PM
  #48  
articfriends's Avatar
Platinum Member
20 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: Jun 2004
Posts: 7,317
Likes: 1,037
From: frankenmuth michigan
Default

Originally Posted by DrFeelgood
Thanks Smitty! So, I'll go back to stock cam in the port motor and if the Stbd motor has to come apart at any point I'll do the same.

In your opinion, would I be better off having you return the tunes to stock, or leave them as-is?
If you have the valve springs to go 5400, Id leave it there, the timing at idle has been working for you and the 2% taken out of tune in last map cell vs rpm is virtually no different, that might have been a slight calibration difference from 1 year to another even, I just did the math, its more like 1.1%. You can always get some 02 readings if you change alot and tweak it a little, Smitty
articfriends is offline  
Reply
Old 09-15-2022 | 09:12 PM
  #49  
F-2 Speedy's Avatar
Platinum Member
Community Builder
10 Year Member
Platinum Member
 
Joined: May 2012
Posts: 11,428
Likes: 3,953
From: Midwest & T-Rock
Default

Originally Posted by articfriends
If you have the valve springs to go 5400, Id leave it there, the timing at idle has been working for you and the 2% taken out of tune in last map cell vs rpm is virtually no different, that might have been a slight calibration difference from 1 year to another even, I just did the math, its more like 1.1%. You can always get some 02 readings if you change alot and tweak it a little, Smitty
Why would someone raise the limiter to 5400 on a pretty much stock 502 MPI its got to be running out of air and fuel around 5k
F-2 Speedy is online now  
Reply
Old 09-15-2022 | 09:16 PM
  #50  
SB
Registered
20 Year Member
 
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 14,095
Likes: 3,685
From: On A Dirt Floor
Default

Originally Posted by F-2 Speedy
Why would someone raise the limiter to 5400 on a pretty much stock 502 MPI its got to be running out of air and fuel around 5k
If i remember when a ton of us had stock 502mpi’s , 320yrs ago, the best speed rpm was 5000-5100 ….right ? I remember some touting 5050. Lol
SB is offline  
Reply


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.