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Always the best and most insightful info, Smitty!
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Originally Posted by SB
(Post 4851442)
As an fyi: Edelbrock got bought out not too long ao. Same company that bought out CompCams. There's some useless facts for the day. :)
Actually maybe not that useless, as I don't think Edelbrock does all, or much, of their own castings in house now because of this. |
I Must have heard improper info about the foundry. Psst: vid showed a bunch of xf efi manifolds in a pike, hopefully for people looking for one in this thread get one soon. |
Okay, checked the source (Edelbrock ) and this is the deal. Sorry for my confusion. Doh !
https://www.motortrend.com/news/edel...ssissippi/amp/ Lots of moving around and companies being bought. “After 83 years in Southern California, Edelbrock Performance begins a new era in 2021. The historic aftermarket performance parts manufacturer is moving its headquarters from Torrance, California, to Olive Branch, Mississippi, just south of Memphis, Tennessee. One year ago, Edelbrock and its Russell Performance division joined forces with the COMP Performance Group, which is based in Memphis. In addition to Comp Cams and Edelbrock, the group includes TCI Automotive, FAST Fuel Air Spark Technology, Racing Head Service, ZEX, Inglese Induction Systems, Powerhouse Products, COMP Vthunder, and COMP GoParts. As the Edelbrock administrative offices relocate to a 300,000-square-foot facility, most of the manufacturing processes will transfer to San Jacinto, California, the site of Edelbrock's aluminum foundry. A new Edelbrock Southern California Tech Center is scheduled to open in Cerritos, California, at the end of March.” |
Originally Posted by SB
(Post 4851876)
Okay, checked the source (Edelbrock ) and this is the deal. Sorry for my confusion. Doh !
https://www.motortrend.com/news/edel...ssissippi/amp/ Lots of moving around and companies being bought. “After 83 years in Southern California, Edelbrock Performance begins a new era in 2021. The historic aftermarket performance parts manufacturer is moving its headquarters from Torrance, California, to Olive Branch, Mississippi, just south of Memphis, Tennessee. One year ago, Edelbrock and its Russell Performance division joined forces with the COMP Performance Group, which is based in Memphis. In addition to Comp Cams and Edelbrock, the group includes TCI Automotive, FAST Fuel Air Spark Technology, Racing Head Service, ZEX, Inglese Induction Systems, Powerhouse Products, COMP Vthunder, and COMP GoParts. As the Edelbrock administrative offices relocate to a 300,000-square-foot facility, most of the manufacturing processes will transfer to San Jacinto, California, the site of Edelbrock's aluminum foundry. A new Edelbrock Southern California Tech Center is scheduled to open in Cerritos, California, at the end of March.” |
Good info ^^^Pretty sure the GMPP aluminum heads and thus of course Mercs standard bbc alum heads (525/700) etc.
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Originally Posted by SB
(Post 4851871)
well, thank you. :thumbs Great vid. And yes, vid was just posted.
I Must have heard improper info about the foundry. Psst: vid showed a bunch of xf efi manifolds in a pike, hopefully for people looking for one in this thread get one soon. The Edelbrock foundry looks a lot different from Darts foundry that Valako and I went to when Dart casted Jim's heads. I believe Dart just casts them their and do all of the secondary operations at a different machining building. They didn't want me taking many pics and I don't remember much. They just escorted us to the sand castings the laid out for us. |
Here’s a list of some of the companies they cast parts for:
https://edelbrockfoundry.com/clients/ |
Originally Posted by articfriends
(Post 4851849)
Heres some info:
A 525 uses the same EXACT injectors as a mefi1 454/502. I have found a 55lb import injector that I sell as match flowed sets, its slightly shorter so I machine bottom spacers to ensure it is in rail enough BUT your stock honda/keihan factory ev-1 connector injectors IF they flow fine will be just fine, I wouldn't change them unless when cleaned and flow tested they are terrible. I flow and clean alot of early 454/502 injectors and 525 injectors at my shop and for most part they clean up and flow fine. Injector SIZE : your stock injectors are 48 lb, 48 x 8 is 384 lbs per hr at 3 bar (43.5 psi). 384 x 2 =768 , if your bsfc was .500 that means they would support 768 hp, assuming your bsfc is closer to .58 which is typical of mpi engines I tune and dyno you can deduct 16% from the 768 which would still get you to 645 hp maxed out. Even at 80% of that, it will get you over 500. Stock fuel pump: stock fuel pump is 190 lph, its done at about 560 to 580 ft lbs tq/hp before injectors are. Upgrade fuel pump/efi regulator /fuel cooler lines: IF your going to aim for more hp than stock fuel pump can supply and you upgrade it, you can got from 3 bar/43.5 psi to 4 bar/58 psi. 58 psi will increase the flow of your injectors by 15%, that 15% will take your max hp easily to 600 hp at 80% duty ccyle/.58 bsfc. I have pushed stock injectors close to 100% duty cycle over 675 hp with no issues. Wideband/02 sensors somewhere in your current exhaust: If you do ANY mods, regardless of intake, etc, a wide band 02 sensor somewhere in your exhaust that you make tuning decisions from will keep you from running pig rich somewhere OR making pretty little piston ashtray gifts for your smoking friends! Mpi Intake: I have made well over 600 hp/600 ft lbs of tq with mercruiser black intake by cutting down runners even with plenum floor/boring out TB and making 67 mm blades vs stock 60. Flame arrestor: The flat plate gen 6 FA is a restrictive hp killer on modded engines the Gen 5 mefi 1 factory fa is BEST flowing factory piece, those aluminum necked down adapters with clamp on KN fa's from various suppliers flow WORSE than stock and kill massive hp on modded engines In recent testing I found the Gaffrig oval FA is by far the very best Throttle linkage on edelbrock proflow (assuming you could actually get one), You put a throttle post thru side of their curved lever and make a bracket to bolt on side of intake, Ill post up a pic if I can find one. Your boat in picture: Since its a single and doesnt appear to have sufficient room to put a large enough FA on the proflow, I wouldn't even consider it. A 90 KILLS a bunch of the hp gain that its known for. A proflow will embarrass a vic jr with a modded tb and good air flow but most that gain will evaporate if you clamp any 90 onto it. A merc mpi long runner intake will beat both a vic jr and proflow in early tq due to runner length at expense of top end hp but singles unless they are really a fast, stepped hull need square tq/hp. Guys get caught up on peak hp numbers that come from big cams, short runner intakes that sacrifice torque. Then boat sucks to drive, wont pull no prop. wont get on plane loaded down etc. If I think of anything else to ad I will, Smitty 1. Injectors, can I send my stock injectors to you to be flowed and confirm they are up to the task, again im shooting for 550Hp anything more is just a bonus 2. TB, do you modify them to the larger 67mm butterfly's? 3. The cool fuel, setup what do you suggest I swap it out too and I was planning to go return style when I install a new aftermarket regulator like a magnafuel 4. do you have a Part# for the Gaffrig oval FA? 5. I want to run Holley HP on the boat and will be installing a Wideband, do I leave it in consistently on closed loop or tune then run open loop? 6. O2 location, I am debating to go dry tip or not because I kind of do not want to loose my silent choice exhaust as the lake im on break balls for noise, if I keep the full wet exhaust whats your recommendation for O2 placement? Also run two I assume? 7. What is your opinion on keeping the stock cast irion rectangle port heads over going to an aluminum? I am not closed loop cooling but am in fresh water. https://www.ebay.com/itm/12367585652...3ABFBMloPAppNh https://www.ebay.com/itm/14315951777...3ABFBMloPAppNh Anyone see these intakes on ebay? Again thank you again Smitty for the detailed writeup!!!! |
[QUOTEEdelbrock: Agreed, our Last Shipment of # 7136 was June 2020, most go to Complete Pro-Flo 4 EFI Kits, try EBay Motors, or google for Edelbrock # 7136, feel free to check back whenever you think of doing so….
Me: Funny how vendors say it will ship by November 29th. This is a bummer I don’t mind waiting but I would need it by February and from what I gather that doesn’t look feasible? Edelbrock: GM Joe, Yes I was referring to BB Chevy Rectangle Port XT EFI Intake Manifold # 7136 below as well as Throttle Body # 3790 , sadly No ETA as of Today…. Me: Good morning and thank you for the response, it is actually a rectangle port cylinder head for a big block chevy I would need an XT intake for, any idea if there are any of those ready to ship? I would need the TB too so that is an issue LOL. Edelbrock: Hello, Yea, Marine is not our Specialty, out EFI Kits are Automotive Kits primarily, as for XT EFI Intake Manifold # 7136 for Oval Port Cylinder Heads is way past due, and no new delivery date, and Throttle Body # 3970 No ETA either, sorry please do not shoot the messenger…. ][/QUOTE] So the moral of the story is my conversation with Edelbrock tech support is they have no clue when they will began seeing shipments of this intake again. I will be making the best of the stock Black MPI, get some carbide bits and sanding rolls to clean up the ports the best I can. |
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