Alternate cam for a ZZ502?
#21
Myself and others have had issues with Marine Kinetics custom cams. Boat is headed to Alaska in the spring, I want off the shelf cams, and lighter springs
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One lifter decided it had enough, threw the wheel, and ruined the cam, as well as filling the engine with metal.
Supplier blamed defective valve spring (which I bought from him). Motor had to be disassembled,
cleaned, re assembled with new springs and lifters. I had valve issues before this happened. Root cause was the
cams. Finally installed huge springs with HD lifters to fix the floating valves.
No more custom cams for me.
Supplier blamed defective valve spring (which I bought from him). Motor had to be disassembled,
cleaned, re assembled with new springs and lifters. I had valve issues before this happened. Root cause was the
cams. Finally installed huge springs with HD lifters to fix the floating valves.
No more custom cams for me.
Aside from the Morel lifter failure , what other issues did you have with your MK cams? If I remember correctly, I used a identical cam or real close for a customer with similar requirements (extended idling. fishing, etc) and I remember Bob telling me a guy out on west coast was running the grind he was recommending on a twin engine fishing boat. I thought at 225/230 @.050 and .570 lift it was quite mild, the engine would idle at 600 easily and last I heard from that customer he had 500/600 hours on it, also has Johnson lifters in it because the pattern of Morell lifter failures had already came to light when I built this one. Good luck ,on your new builds and keep us posted on what cams you get and the results you see.
How many total hours did you get from your old cams before they failed or whatever happened or was it just the one lifter failure, Im always curious . I also had one engine that was the last engine I used Morel lifters in back around 2014 or so had a lifter failure around 2019/2020. I had encouraged my customer to have me remove them and switch to Johnsons but he felt since they were working hed roll the dice. That whole Morel sending lifter body's to Mexico for production or speeding up machining, whatever it was, took them from one of the best Hydraulic rollers to being a pariah in the marine industry, Smitty
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#25
Hello everyone!
I’m finally have most of the parts I need to start final assembly of new engines except valve springs.
Engines typically turn 3400 to 3600 at cruise power. Then idle for extended periods. I do open it up occasionally. Rev limiters are set at 5250. ZZ502 lifters.
This boat is used offshore, dependability is at top of the list!
“BBC Gen VI Billet Camshaft - 500efi” SKU: API 169621-TCM
Cam purchased from Teague. See attached cam card.
Any suggestions for springs would be appreciated!!
Thanks
Steve
I’m finally have most of the parts I need to start final assembly of new engines except valve springs.
Engines typically turn 3400 to 3600 at cruise power. Then idle for extended periods. I do open it up occasionally. Rev limiters are set at 5250. ZZ502 lifters.
This boat is used offshore, dependability is at top of the list!
“BBC Gen VI Billet Camshaft - 500efi” SKU: API 169621-TCM
Cam purchased from Teague. See attached cam card.
Any suggestions for springs would be appreciated!!
Thanks
Steve
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One lifter decided it had enough, threw the wheel, and ruined the cam, as well as filling the engine with metal.
Supplier blamed defective valve spring (which I bought from him). Motor had to be disassembled,
cleaned, re assembled with new springs and lifters. I had valve issues before this happened. Root cause was the
cams. Finally installed huge springs with HD lifters to fix the floating valves.
No more custom cams for me.
Supplier blamed defective valve spring (which I bought from him). Motor had to be disassembled,
cleaned, re assembled with new springs and lifters. I had valve issues before this happened. Root cause was the
cams. Finally installed huge springs with HD lifters to fix the floating valves.
No more custom cams for me.
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Hello everyone!
I’m finally have most of the parts I need to start final assembly of new engines except valve springs.
Engines typically turn 3400 to 3600 at cruise power. Then idle for extended periods. I do open it up occasionally. Rev limiters are set at 5250. ZZ502 lifters.
This boat is used offshore, dependability is at top of the list!
“BBC Gen VI Billet Camshaft - 500efi” SKU: API 169621-TCM
Cam purchased from Teague. See attached cam card.
Any suggestions for springs would be appreciated!!
I’m finally have most of the parts I need to start final assembly of new engines except valve springs.
Engines typically turn 3400 to 3600 at cruise power. Then idle for extended periods. I do open it up occasionally. Rev limiters are set at 5250. ZZ502 lifters.
This boat is used offshore, dependability is at top of the list!
“BBC Gen VI Billet Camshaft - 500efi” SKU: API 169621-TCM
Cam purchased from Teague. See attached cam card.
Any suggestions for springs would be appreciated!!
Valvetrain Engineering Services - Allmond Marine
#29
Boat is back in the water and running great. Time to change out break in oil to Mobile One. I used Mobile One 10/40 last time around. I'm leaning towards 10/30 this time because I'm running
new GM shortblocks (ZZ502), and most likely have tighter clearances. Oil temp at the pan will hover around 220+ at fast cruise, pressure is 40 psi at hot idle, and around 75 psi underway.
For break in I used Lucas 30wt, which seemed fine. Oil temp and pressure was normal on both engines.
Would the 10/30 oil be best, or stick with the 10/40?
I appreciate all of you!
Steve
new GM shortblocks (ZZ502), and most likely have tighter clearances. Oil temp at the pan will hover around 220+ at fast cruise, pressure is 40 psi at hot idle, and around 75 psi underway.
For break in I used Lucas 30wt, which seemed fine. Oil temp and pressure was normal on both engines.
Would the 10/30 oil be best, or stick with the 10/40?
I appreciate all of you!
Steve
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