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Old 05-14-2024 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryanw10
Is there any sort of PCV valve on the valve cover breathers?
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Not that can readily be seen. I know what you're talking about, as I remember watching my dad swap them out on occasion on the blower motor we had in the boat I grew up on, but there's virtually no vantage point that gives a line of sight to the tops of the valve covers on this engine. Merc attached EVERYTHING to the valve covers, it would seem. Google yields no results for "mercury 496 PCV valve, which might lead you to believe there ain't none such. Since it's all congruent with the oil pan in some way (fill tube and under the valve cover), would it possibly be the elbow between the top of the oil fill tube and the vent line that leads off the side and hangs in front of the flame arrestor? It appears to be just a 90° thru hole, but I've never really looked at it all that close.

I'll climb back up there momentarily and have a closer, more deliberate look.

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Old 05-14-2024 | 03:19 PM
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On the HP500EFI motors the PVC valve is in the intake Valley, covered by the intake. Not easy to see. Maybe number 4, I don't know the s/n number of yours but its a good site.

https://www.mercruiserparts.com/bam/...1936/15327/150


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Ryan,

Not that can readily be seen. I know what you're talking about, as I remember watching my dad swap them out on occasion on the blower motor we had in the boat I grew up on, but there's virtually no vantage point that gives a line of sight to the tops of the valve covers on this engine. Merc attached EVERYTHING to the valve covers, it would seem. Google yields no results for "mercury 496 PCV valve, which might lead you to believe there ain't none such. Since it's all congruent with the oil pan in some way (fill tube and under the valve cover), would it possibly be the elbow between the top of the oil fill tube and the vent line that leads off the side and hangs in front of the flame arrestor? It appears to be just a 90° thru hole, but I've never really looked at it all that close.

I'll climb back up there momentarily and have a closer, more deliberate look.

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Old 05-14-2024 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Wildman_grafix
On the HP500EFI motors the PVC valve is in the intake Valley, covered by the intake. Not easy to see. Maybe number 4, I don't know the s/n number of yours but its a good site.

https://www.mercruiserparts.com/bam/...1936/15327/150
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Yup. Been there many times. Great resource. But....

I can't imagine the ProCharger kit would have left a vacuum source in the intake, since it would presumably be at ~3lbs of positive pressure at WOT.

I would guess the only source for "always in vacuum" would be on the intake side of the ProCharger.

Right....? (Genuine questions)

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Old 05-14-2024 | 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryanw10
Is there any sort of PCV valve on the valve cover breathers?
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This is the view of the tops of the valve covers.

For the record, I do not see any “air” lines leading to anywhere under all this crap.

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Old 05-14-2024 | 04:45 PM
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Yup, that is a lot going on!
Does this look like it
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Originally Posted by Ryanw10
Yup, that is a lot going on!
Does this look like it
Ryan,

I tHiNk that's a spark plug wire, leading away from the coil pack that is mounted atop the valve cover, just like the one directly below the connecter with the blue endcaps.

I'll get a closer look and report back.

Is it safe to assume there really SHOULD be a PCV on here SOMEWHERE? And where would it draw vacuum from with this ProCharger configuration?

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I don't think you're gonna find a PCV valve on it.

Here's some reference material I found:
The 496 engine has a built in orfice in the bottom of the intake manifold that is .080" size and when the engine is running it keeps a a slight negative pressure in the crankcase. There is a fresh air into the crankcase that pulls fresh air into the throttlebody in the throat and down an intake manifld passage into the bottom of the oil fill tube. If you take your oil fill tube cap off at idle is there a slight vacumn? There should be. Also see what the oil fill does with the cap off at 4K rpms. If your crankcase pressure (due to blowby, etc.)is high this pressure can force oil vapor back into the intake manifold and some vapor back out the flame arrestor on the throttlebody which you could smell if its doing that. Also with your motor off and flame arrestor off, open the throttle full open and look down inside the manifold intake opening and see if the inside looks moist or wet with oil, this can be a good indicator of what is possibly happening. If you see that I would suggest a compression test with a leakdown test. Stock 496's should have about 150-160 psi cranking compression in each cylinder ona cold engine.

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Old 05-14-2024 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 87MirageIntruder
I don't think you're gonna find a PCV valve on it.

Here's some reference material I found:
The 496 engine has a built in orfice in the bottom of the intake manifold that is .080" size and when the engine is running it keeps a a slight negative pressure in the crankcase. There is a fresh air into the crankcase that pulls fresh air into the throttlebody in the throat and down an intake manifld passage into the bottom of the oil fill tube. If you take your oil fill tube cap off at idle is there a slight vacumn? There should be. Also see what the oil fill does with the cap off at 4K rpms. If your crankcase pressure (due to blowby, etc.)is high this pressure can force oil vapor back into the intake manifold and some vapor back out the flame arrestor on the throttlebody which you could smell if its doing that. Also with your motor off and flame arrestor off, open the throttle full open and look down inside the manifold intake opening and see if the inside looks moist or wet with oil, this can be a good indicator of what is possibly happening. If you see that I would suggest a compression test with a leakdown test. Stock 496's should have about 150-160 psi cranking compression in each cylinder ona cold engine.
87Mirage,

So, is that .080” hole at positive pressure when the boost gauge is showing positive manifold pressure? There are some funky vacuum lines up there that were part of the ProCharger install. I’ll have to go to the install manual and see what it says about it. Surely they (ProCharger) would have addressed this.

I’m planning to elongate the intake of the ProCharger, so it’s not drawing air from under the engine. Would adding a bung to this intake tube create enough vacuum to accomplish what I need? Thinking about attaching the filler cap vent tube to this. Yes/no?

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Old 05-14-2024 | 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Ryanw10
Yup, that is a lot going on!
Does this look like it
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Yup. Spark plug wire.

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Old 05-17-2024 | 03:42 PM
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Guys,

So, an update....

Went out yesterday. Basically, dropped launched the boat, cruised across the lake, putting the stick on the firewall for a bit to test a new-to-me prop, dropped anchor for several hours at one of the popular anchoring spots (very small lake), then cruised back, intentionally staying out of the throttle, keeping it out of any boost condition. Had oil on top of the dipstick after screaming across the lake (saw about 5300RPM). Cleaned off the top of the dipstick. Did not have oil after cruising back across the lake.

Is the oil just a product of that little weephole between the intake manifold and the crankcase, originally intended to induce a vacuum to the crankcase?

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