screeching sound at startup
#32
Thanks for the diagram. I had over 12 volts to the yellow red wire on start mode of the key. When letting go of the start position, it went down to 4.5 volts. It is possible that vibration is causing that relays contacts to partially connect activating the starter. It is old and I am replacing it.
#33
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Okay, I did the Ignition switch test with power.. Connected battery power alternator and Ignition wires together. Just like it would be connected to the starter. Took a Volt meter at 12 VDC and measured from the start wire to ground. Relay activated on start, which is next to the 50 amp breaker.. yellow /red pin stripe start wire received 12 volts. Turn switch to run voltage dropped to 4.5 volts. Here's a point I don't know how old that starter relay switch is. But if that gets stuck with the contacts inside that could do the same thing as the Ignition switch. Keep the starter activated
For 30 bucks, easy to change..
For 30 bucks, easy to change..
#34
I understand. What? You're saying I'm just saying that the contacts of that relay one side always has 12 volts. And when the relays activated, it sends power to the yellow red wire on the starter. The key only activates the coil of the relay. For 29 Bucks, it's getting a new starter. It will have a new relay.also.
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I agree the ign timing appears to be overly advanced at start-up.
As a long-winded side-note that may or may not pertain to the ops situation:
When I first bought my boat, my engs were slow to crank, found ign timing waay too advanced. Fixed the ign issue, but starter still didn't sound right on starboard eng. After pulling the eng (for another issue) I found the starter bolts were bent slightly. Ordered new 3/8" starter bolts but the knurling was the wrong diameter for my starter..Orig knurling should be a snug fit as half of the knurling enters the block and the other half of the knurling is in the starter. This helps keep the starter aligned properly. It doesn't have to be off much to cause bendix engagement, dis-engagement issues.
When I re-installed the starter with my new bolts, I discovered the starter was free to wiggle slightly side-to-side with bolts lightly tightened. Discovered the part of the knurling that enters the block was 3/8" as it should be, but the after-market, high-torque mini-starter opening for the starter bolts was 10mm. Once I had the right "hybrid" starter bolts (3/8" lower half of knurling and 10mm on top half of knurling) all was well again.
May not be your issue, but it's really quick and easy to check with the starter on the bench. Simply put the bolts into the starter on the bench and see if there's any side to side play. When I had the correct bolts, I could put them into the starter (on the bench), flip starter over and the bolts wouldn't fall out without a nudge.
As a long-winded side-note that may or may not pertain to the ops situation:
When I first bought my boat, my engs were slow to crank, found ign timing waay too advanced. Fixed the ign issue, but starter still didn't sound right on starboard eng. After pulling the eng (for another issue) I found the starter bolts were bent slightly. Ordered new 3/8" starter bolts but the knurling was the wrong diameter for my starter..Orig knurling should be a snug fit as half of the knurling enters the block and the other half of the knurling is in the starter. This helps keep the starter aligned properly. It doesn't have to be off much to cause bendix engagement, dis-engagement issues.
When I re-installed the starter with my new bolts, I discovered the starter was free to wiggle slightly side-to-side with bolts lightly tightened. Discovered the part of the knurling that enters the block was 3/8" as it should be, but the after-market, high-torque mini-starter opening for the starter bolts was 10mm. Once I had the right "hybrid" starter bolts (3/8" lower half of knurling and 10mm on top half of knurling) all was well again.
May not be your issue, but it's really quick and easy to check with the starter on the bench. Simply put the bolts into the starter on the bench and see if there's any side to side play. When I had the correct bolts, I could put them into the starter (on the bench), flip starter over and the bolts wouldn't fall out without a nudge.
Last edited by zz28zz; 04-24-2025 at 05:30 PM.
#36
possible issues:
1 starter bendix is getting hung up on the ring gear, need to shim the starter down
2 starter bendix is getting hung up on the ring gear because the soileniod is sticking and not allowing the bendix to retract.
3 vacume leak- under carb, intake manifold
4 bearing screech.- rod or main bearings have no oil ( I had this happen to me even after I primed the engine)
Is the screech sound there even after the engine is started?
Also your timing seems to advanced, could be the engine is rocking backwards and causing the starter to spin the wrong way.
Keep us informed of what you find.
1 starter bendix is getting hung up on the ring gear, need to shim the starter down
2 starter bendix is getting hung up on the ring gear because the soileniod is sticking and not allowing the bendix to retract.
3 vacume leak- under carb, intake manifold
4 bearing screech.- rod or main bearings have no oil ( I had this happen to me even after I primed the engine)
Is the screech sound there even after the engine is started?
Also your timing seems to advanced, could be the engine is rocking backwards and causing the starter to spin the wrong way.
Keep us informed of what you find.
#37
I agree the ign timing appears to be overly advanced at start-up.
As a long-winded side-note that may or may not pertain to the ops situation:
When I first bought my boat, my engs were slow to crank, found ign timing waay too advanced. Fixed the ign issue, but starter still didn't sound right on starboard eng. After pulling the eng (for another issue) I found the starter bolts were bent slightly. Ordered new 3/8" starter bolts but the knurling was the wrong diameter for my starter..Orig knurling should be a snug fit as half of the knurling enters the block and the other half of the knurling is in the starter. This helps keep the starter aligned properly. It doesn't have to be off much to cause bendix engagement, dis-engagement issues.
When I re-installed the starter with my new bolts, I discovered the starter was free to wiggle slightly side-to-side with bolts lightly tightened. Discovered the part of the knurling that enters the block was 3/8" as it should be, but the after-market, high-torque mini-starter opening for the starter bolts was 10mm. Once I had the right "hybrid" starter bolts (3/8" lower half of knurling and 10mm on top half of knurling) all was well again.
May not be your issue, but it's really quick and easy to check with the starter on the bench. Simply put the bolts into the starter on the bench and see if there's any side to side play. When I had the correct bolts, I could put them into the starter (on the bench), flip starter over and the bolts wouldn't fall out without a nudge.
As a long-winded side-note that may or may not pertain to the ops situation:
When I first bought my boat, my engs were slow to crank, found ign timing waay too advanced. Fixed the ign issue, but starter still didn't sound right on starboard eng. After pulling the eng (for another issue) I found the starter bolts were bent slightly. Ordered new 3/8" starter bolts but the knurling was the wrong diameter for my starter..Orig knurling should be a snug fit as half of the knurling enters the block and the other half of the knurling is in the starter. This helps keep the starter aligned properly. It doesn't have to be off much to cause bendix engagement, dis-engagement issues.
When I re-installed the starter with my new bolts, I discovered the starter was free to wiggle slightly side-to-side with bolts lightly tightened. Discovered the part of the knurling that enters the block was 3/8" as it should be, but the after-market, high-torque mini-starter opening for the starter bolts was 10mm. Once I had the right "hybrid" starter bolts (3/8" lower half of knurling and 10mm on top half of knurling) all was well again.
May not be your issue, but it's really quick and easy to check with the starter on the bench. Simply put the bolts into the starter on the bench and see if there's any side to side play. When I had the correct bolts, I could put them into the starter (on the bench), flip starter over and the bolts wouldn't fall out without a nudge.
#39
I should have the new starter and relay soon. So the outdrive and gimble bearing are my next 2 items to check if the screeching noise does not go away with the new starter and relay. As mentioned previously if I disconnect the Ignition coil the engine turns over with no unusual noises. Why would the gimble bearing or outdrive only cause a noise when it starts? Faster speed?
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I should have the new starter and relay soon. So the outdrive and gimble bearing are my next 2 items to check if the screeching noise does not go away with the new starter and relay. As mentioned previously if I disconnect the Ignition coil the engine turns over with no unusual noises. Why would the gimble bearing or outdrive only cause a noise when it starts? Faster speed?





