APBA and Lee Mills.....
09-26-2003 | 09:10 AM
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Originally posted by Mike A.
Debbie,
You need to get your sponsors and teams on track and excited for Lauderdale, St. Pete and Orange Beach. If you cannot then get prepared to start over. This is the course we have set and we are going to stick to it come hell or high water.
Mike A.
Debbie,
You need to get your sponsors and teams on track and excited for Lauderdale, St. Pete and Orange Beach. If you cannot then get prepared to start over. This is the course we have set and we are going to stick to it come hell or high water.
Mike A.
09-26-2003 | 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by Shane
So again, my post have NOT been mostly in opposition to or against APBA. I have stayed neutral and called a spade a spade. Please be more careful when drawing such conclusions.
So again, my post have NOT been mostly in opposition to or against APBA. I have stayed neutral and called a spade a spade. Please be more careful when drawing such conclusions.
Shane
Mike was only asking you some questions.
Read his message again - he was asking why you are digging and asking so many personal and business questions on APBA.
Unless I missed it,, he never said you were mostly in opposition to APBA.
But from reading your response to a question that wasn't even asked,, dont you think anyone would draw a conclusion about your position after reading the posts?
APBA is working their a$$ off to make this series the best offshore series ever.And despite the problems theyve been dealt.I talk to racers daily most say that they are positive about APBA and understand the hardships Offshore deals with that car racing, snowmobiling and motocross racing doesnt ever have to worry about.They are worlds apart as far as logistics go.
Of course the MIlls/Worlds deal was NOT a good thing for offshore racing and APBA knows it.Absolutely.Its a disaster.
But when your wife asks for a divorce, (MILLS-APBA) there's not a damn thing you can do.Beggin and pleading wont help and while shes out cheating and taking everthing you've worked for,do you really want her back?
So what do you do?
START OVER. Just move on and do what you can to make good things happen despite it all.Work through it and put in safety nets (pre-nupts) to see that it doesnt happen again.
Many teams are now going to Orange Beach with APBA.But some are set with KW.After all who wants to keep bi**ching when they can be out there racing???
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SHUT UP AND RACE!
09-26-2003 | 09:41 AM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by ModMachine
Shane
Mike was only asking you some questions.
Read his message again - he was asking why you are digging and asking so many personal and business questions on APBA.
Unless I missed it,, he never said you were mostly in opposition to APBA.
I stand corrected and my appologies to Mike. However, following your line of thought, is not fairly clear his intended message?
But from reading your response to a question that wasn't even asked,, dont you think anyone would draw a conclusion about your position after reading the posts?
Not necessarily.
APBA is working their a$$ off to make this series the best offshore series ever.And despite the problems theyve been dealt.I talk to racers daily most say that they are positive about APBA and understand the hardships Offshore deals with that car racing, snowmobiling and motocross racing doesnt ever have to worry about.They are worlds apart as far as logistics go.
Granted the logisitcs issues are different. Then simply do not state that the problems of venues changing and or cancelling have been solved, via stating that the schedule is set in stone and no further changes will be made. Again making promises that cannot be delivered.
Of course the MIlls/Worlds deal was NOT a good thing for offshore racing and APBA knows it.Absolutely.Its a disaster.
But when your wife asks for a divorce, (MILLS-APBA) there's not a damn thing you can do.Beggin and pleading wont help and while shes out cheating and taking everthing you've worked for,do you really want her back?
So what do you do?
The LLC has been at this long enough, and been to these same venues, yes KW, several times to know who they need to contact and what permits and doumentation needs to be in order. For an organization that is so contract conscious and so quick to threaten/induce litigation, I would think these issues would have been addressed. Furthermore, since this is their WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, and the nostalgia and history surrounding KW, in addition to the promises made, sponsors obtained and reservations and expenses endured, why would they not have had this finalized when they made the promise to the racers? If the LLC truly wants to be the "next great motorsport" would they not have these details in order long ago, giving themselves enough time to overcome any obstacles that might come their way? I understand they had the litigation issue this summer, but that is still no excuse. I DO commend them on finding an alternate location so quickly however.
START OVER. Just move on and do what you can to make good things happen despite it all.Work through it and put in safety nets (pre-nupts) to see that it doesnt happen again.
]ModMachine, I do not know how long you have been involved with or around this sport, but unfortunately since the sports earliest days, these exact same issues have been problems. This is not the first time, nor is it the second or third. Many have come and gone promising to put these problems to rest etc etc etc. The LLC has been at this 3 years or so now and it is still happening. Granted they have made tremendous strides in the classes etc. However, don't put the cart before the horse. You need venues to race in before you can worry about the class specifics. Obviously the problem that inherently stems from that is what came first, the chicken or the egg? Clearly it is a magnificant task to say the least. Again, these same issues have plagued this sport for decades. Dozens upon dozens of racers and volunteers have come and gone over the years all entering with visions of grandeur and most leaving with faces of disappointment. Why? Because no matter the promises, no one has been able to deliver. A really sad shame. Am I insinuating that SBI is any better because they have firm dates and locations? NO! I am merely showing that ensuring an event happens at a specific location on a specific date is not an insurmountable task. Clearly SBI has issues of its own, but we are not addressing those today and I am no more in support of Bubba than I am in support of Mike A. Again, just asking the tough questions that have yet to be addressed.
Many teams are now going to Orange Beach with APBA.But some are set with KW.After all who wants to keep bi**ching when they can be out there racing??? [/QUOTE
Shane
Mike was only asking you some questions.
Read his message again - he was asking why you are digging and asking so many personal and business questions on APBA.
Unless I missed it,, he never said you were mostly in opposition to APBA.
I stand corrected and my appologies to Mike. However, following your line of thought, is not fairly clear his intended message?
But from reading your response to a question that wasn't even asked,, dont you think anyone would draw a conclusion about your position after reading the posts?
Not necessarily.
APBA is working their a$$ off to make this series the best offshore series ever.And despite the problems theyve been dealt.I talk to racers daily most say that they are positive about APBA and understand the hardships Offshore deals with that car racing, snowmobiling and motocross racing doesnt ever have to worry about.They are worlds apart as far as logistics go.
Granted the logisitcs issues are different. Then simply do not state that the problems of venues changing and or cancelling have been solved, via stating that the schedule is set in stone and no further changes will be made. Again making promises that cannot be delivered.
Of course the MIlls/Worlds deal was NOT a good thing for offshore racing and APBA knows it.Absolutely.Its a disaster.
But when your wife asks for a divorce, (MILLS-APBA) there's not a damn thing you can do.Beggin and pleading wont help and while shes out cheating and taking everthing you've worked for,do you really want her back?
So what do you do?
The LLC has been at this long enough, and been to these same venues, yes KW, several times to know who they need to contact and what permits and doumentation needs to be in order. For an organization that is so contract conscious and so quick to threaten/induce litigation, I would think these issues would have been addressed. Furthermore, since this is their WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS, and the nostalgia and history surrounding KW, in addition to the promises made, sponsors obtained and reservations and expenses endured, why would they not have had this finalized when they made the promise to the racers? If the LLC truly wants to be the "next great motorsport" would they not have these details in order long ago, giving themselves enough time to overcome any obstacles that might come their way? I understand they had the litigation issue this summer, but that is still no excuse. I DO commend them on finding an alternate location so quickly however.
START OVER. Just move on and do what you can to make good things happen despite it all.Work through it and put in safety nets (pre-nupts) to see that it doesnt happen again.
]ModMachine, I do not know how long you have been involved with or around this sport, but unfortunately since the sports earliest days, these exact same issues have been problems. This is not the first time, nor is it the second or third. Many have come and gone promising to put these problems to rest etc etc etc. The LLC has been at this 3 years or so now and it is still happening. Granted they have made tremendous strides in the classes etc. However, don't put the cart before the horse. You need venues to race in before you can worry about the class specifics. Obviously the problem that inherently stems from that is what came first, the chicken or the egg? Clearly it is a magnificant task to say the least. Again, these same issues have plagued this sport for decades. Dozens upon dozens of racers and volunteers have come and gone over the years all entering with visions of grandeur and most leaving with faces of disappointment. Why? Because no matter the promises, no one has been able to deliver. A really sad shame. Am I insinuating that SBI is any better because they have firm dates and locations? NO! I am merely showing that ensuring an event happens at a specific location on a specific date is not an insurmountable task. Clearly SBI has issues of its own, but we are not addressing those today and I am no more in support of Bubba than I am in support of Mike A. Again, just asking the tough questions that have yet to be addressed.
Many teams are now going to Orange Beach with APBA.But some are set with KW.After all who wants to keep bi**ching when they can be out there racing???
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Last edited by Shane; 09-26-2003 at 09:55 AM.
09-26-2003 | 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Peconic
Look guys:
In this country, anybody has a right to ask questions. And to make a fool about himself.
Last I looked, I couldn't find an inalienable right to receive answers.
Look guys:
In this country, anybody has a right to ask questions. And to make a fool about himself.
Last I looked, I couldn't find an inalienable right to receive answers.
BTW, what is "making a fool ABOUT himself" mean? Why is it that when I simply asked questions and stuck to my point you have to stoop to the level of such comments? You are absolutely right that no one HAS to answer my questions. I never said there anything about answering questions as being part of the Bill Of Rights either. I simply trying to obtain specific information regarding a situation. If the answers to those questions are such that the LLC is in the "right" and Mr. Mills is in the "wrong" there should be nothing to be concerned about. Seems to me that you state there are a few members that are hell bent on ruining this wonderful thing, yet you get awefully touchy when someone asks simple questions. I reiterate, if there is nothing to be concerned with I would think that the LLC would want these rumors to be verified as such and the truth be known.
09-26-2003 | 02:04 PM
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Originally posted by Peconic
You have mastered the dishing it out part.
Now, work on the taking it in part.
Or even better: It's a beautifull Fall day. The sun is shining. Go take the boat out. I will.
You have mastered the dishing it out part.
Now, work on the taking it in part.
Or even better: It's a beautifull Fall day. The sun is shining. Go take the boat out. I will.
09-26-2003 | 02:43 PM
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Who ever wishes to follow the path of the APBA and Mike A please continue to do so,the rest of you who are mostly not racers continue your *****ing somewhere else because as you can see it is not doing anyone any good,and if you really care about the sport you will do so.And who really cares about the personal side of Mike A as long as he continues to do the best he can for the sport because he and all of the support staff are certainly doing a better job than any else has. So quit your *****in and go racing,see every on in FT LAUDERDALE.
