APBA and Lee Mills.....
09-28-2003 | 03:40 PM
#44
Thread Starter
Registered
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,548
Likes: 1
From: Niskayuna, NY
Originally posted by ModMachine
Shane,
If you honestly believe race venues are an inherent problem with boat racing then why are you coming down so hard on APBA for the KW deal???I noticed you never asked Mills any questions and he should be asked some of these hard questions too.you even admitted in aother thread that about 500 (10%) of your postings on OSO are about APBA.But you have nothing to ask Mills about???
I do have questions for him as well. The only reason I asked the LLC is because they are the ones that I heard were more guilty than they lead on to be. Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you see it, Mills doesn't come here other than for posting a few times I believe. But I would sure like to ask him some questions as well. After what I was told, I felt that it would be most productive to ask the LLC first, then follow up with Mills.
I do think that asking questions of all involved is a good practise.From everyone.But Sometimes its better not to have someone as you admitted above,,, 'prompting' you to ask them.
I agree as well, that asking question is prudent, because jumping to any conclusion without doing so can be dangerous. His comments are what prompted me to ask the questions. He did not request me to ask anything. I was basically asking whether or not what he told me was true or if he was spreading BS.
If that guy is honest and concerned and proactive,LEt him make the calls and ask the questions himself.
He seemed to have no question as to the validity of his statements and that is why I was asking, to clarify and find out if his comments are founded in truth or if they were intended to smear the LLC. They were pretty strong statements that if they are true could lead to big problems. Just looking for clarification/verification.
From the way you described him and how he wants to stay hidden while you take heat he sounds a little like a weasel to me.That just comes from personal experience with those shadowy types.Dont let him use you like that Shane.
Thank you for teh concern and advice. It is good advice. However, I don't think he wants me to take the heat, again, because he never asked me to say or ask anything. I hope his intentions were not devious.
I admire you for being curious though,since you dont race anymore,,,but if you look agian you really are not simply just asking questions here.You are also making statements like when you agreed with Steve when he said hydros dont have venue change problems like the LLC.Or when supported Cashbrian when he announced that the Orange Beach race was not going to be UIM.
Point well taken.
Thats when I felt I had to point out,,,not that I wanted to,,,but the facts are hydros have lost more race venues than they ran this year.WHen they are that far away from the truth and not purely just innocent questions I feel the need to respond.But When they come from an unknown third party and are absent of facts they start to look a lot like personal digs.
Understood. No personal digs intended from my end. Just feeding my curiosity.
Come on now.Nobody wanted to see KW go down like it did.Not the LLC,,,not the sponsors,the fans,,the townsfolk,especially not the teams.Im sure Mills has regrets about cutting out the LLC now too.Pretty dumb move IMO.But whats done is done here.
I concur. I too don't think there was any intention to lose KW. A shame it was though. It has become such a legacy in this sport.
What good does it do to anyone to rehash and rehash it out on this forum???So Lets stop all this groin kicking while LLCs down nonsense and wait to see how this quick partnering of LLC and Orange Beach turns out before we cry total distaster.
SHUT UP AND RACE
Shane,
If you honestly believe race venues are an inherent problem with boat racing then why are you coming down so hard on APBA for the KW deal???I noticed you never asked Mills any questions and he should be asked some of these hard questions too.you even admitted in aother thread that about 500 (10%) of your postings on OSO are about APBA.But you have nothing to ask Mills about???
I do have questions for him as well. The only reason I asked the LLC is because they are the ones that I heard were more guilty than they lead on to be. Unfortunately, or fortunately, depending on how you see it, Mills doesn't come here other than for posting a few times I believe. But I would sure like to ask him some questions as well. After what I was told, I felt that it would be most productive to ask the LLC first, then follow up with Mills.
I do think that asking questions of all involved is a good practise.From everyone.But Sometimes its better not to have someone as you admitted above,,, 'prompting' you to ask them.
I agree as well, that asking question is prudent, because jumping to any conclusion without doing so can be dangerous. His comments are what prompted me to ask the questions. He did not request me to ask anything. I was basically asking whether or not what he told me was true or if he was spreading BS.
If that guy is honest and concerned and proactive,LEt him make the calls and ask the questions himself.
He seemed to have no question as to the validity of his statements and that is why I was asking, to clarify and find out if his comments are founded in truth or if they were intended to smear the LLC. They were pretty strong statements that if they are true could lead to big problems. Just looking for clarification/verification.
From the way you described him and how he wants to stay hidden while you take heat he sounds a little like a weasel to me.That just comes from personal experience with those shadowy types.Dont let him use you like that Shane.
Thank you for teh concern and advice. It is good advice. However, I don't think he wants me to take the heat, again, because he never asked me to say or ask anything. I hope his intentions were not devious.
I admire you for being curious though,since you dont race anymore,,,but if you look agian you really are not simply just asking questions here.You are also making statements like when you agreed with Steve when he said hydros dont have venue change problems like the LLC.Or when supported Cashbrian when he announced that the Orange Beach race was not going to be UIM.
Point well taken.
Thats when I felt I had to point out,,,not that I wanted to,,,but the facts are hydros have lost more race venues than they ran this year.WHen they are that far away from the truth and not purely just innocent questions I feel the need to respond.But When they come from an unknown third party and are absent of facts they start to look a lot like personal digs.
Understood. No personal digs intended from my end. Just feeding my curiosity.
Come on now.Nobody wanted to see KW go down like it did.Not the LLC,,,not the sponsors,the fans,,the townsfolk,especially not the teams.Im sure Mills has regrets about cutting out the LLC now too.Pretty dumb move IMO.But whats done is done here.
I concur. I too don't think there was any intention to lose KW. A shame it was though. It has become such a legacy in this sport.
What good does it do to anyone to rehash and rehash it out on this forum???So Lets stop all this groin kicking while LLCs down nonsense and wait to see how this quick partnering of LLC and Orange Beach turns out before we cry total distaster.
SHUT UP AND RACE
09-28-2003 | 04:57 PM
#45
Registered
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 2,907
Likes: 0
From: Quogue, NY
09-29-2003 | 02:42 PM
#47
Allergic to Nonsense
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,007
Likes: 21
From: Granite Quarry, NC
Well............
You guys sure ganged up on Shane didn't you..........?
"Shut up and race"......... has become the LLC's new slogan.
In an odd sort of way....it fits.
Don't ask questions.....just get in your boats...and do what we tell you....until we tell you something different.
There are many people on here who love the sport..... and there is a basis for logical and civil discussion..... and that is healthy...... But healthy discussion requires abstaining from personal attacks on someone's credibility.......or intelligence.
Shane asked some questions....... They deserve either an answer or an "I don't know"......... For a bunch of pro APBA LLC 'ers to talk about bias is assinine.............
There are passions on all sides of this issue....and that's to be expected. There are people with integrity and some slime balls as well.......that's life. But, too many of the threads on here turn into street fights every time someone asks a question.
This is an open forum
You don't have to be a racer to ask about racing.
You don't have to be a boat builder to talk about boat building.
and you don't have to be a lawyer....to talk about the LLC.
T2x....... Shut up and answer the damn question.
You guys sure ganged up on Shane didn't you..........?
"Shut up and race"......... has become the LLC's new slogan.
In an odd sort of way....it fits.
Don't ask questions.....just get in your boats...and do what we tell you....until we tell you something different.
There are many people on here who love the sport..... and there is a basis for logical and civil discussion..... and that is healthy...... But healthy discussion requires abstaining from personal attacks on someone's credibility.......or intelligence.
Shane asked some questions....... They deserve either an answer or an "I don't know"......... For a bunch of pro APBA LLC 'ers to talk about bias is assinine.............
There are passions on all sides of this issue....and that's to be expected. There are people with integrity and some slime balls as well.......that's life. But, too many of the threads on here turn into street fights every time someone asks a question.
This is an open forum
You don't have to be a racer to ask about racing.
You don't have to be a boat builder to talk about boat building.
and you don't have to be a lawyer....to talk about the LLC.
T2x....... Shut up and answer the damn question.
09-29-2003 | 02:56 PM
#49
Thread Starter
Registered
Joined: Oct 2000
Posts: 5,548
Likes: 1
From: Niskayuna, NY
Originally posted by T2x
Well............
You guys sure ganged up on Shane didn't you..........?
"Shut up and race"......... has become the LLC's new slogan.
In an odd sort of way....it fits.
Don't ask questions.....just get in your boats...and do what we tell you....until we tell you something different.
There are many people on here who love the sport..... and there is a basis for logical and civil discussion..... and that is healthy...... But healthy discussion requires abstaining from personal attacks on someone's credibility.......or intelligence.
Shane asked some questions....... They deserve either an answer or an "I don't know"......... For a bunch of pro APBA LLC 'ers to talk about bias is assinine.............
There are passions on all sides of this issue....and that's to be expected. There are people with integrity and some slime balls as well.......that's life. But, too many of the threads on here turn into street fights every time someone asks a question.
This is an open forum
You don't have to be a racer to ask about racing.
You don't have to be a boat builder to talk about boat building.
and you don't have to be a lawyer....to talk about the LLC.
T2x....... Shut up and answer the damn question.
Well............
You guys sure ganged up on Shane didn't you..........?
"Shut up and race"......... has become the LLC's new slogan.
In an odd sort of way....it fits.
Don't ask questions.....just get in your boats...and do what we tell you....until we tell you something different.
There are many people on here who love the sport..... and there is a basis for logical and civil discussion..... and that is healthy...... But healthy discussion requires abstaining from personal attacks on someone's credibility.......or intelligence.
Shane asked some questions....... They deserve either an answer or an "I don't know"......... For a bunch of pro APBA LLC 'ers to talk about bias is assinine.............
There are passions on all sides of this issue....and that's to be expected. There are people with integrity and some slime balls as well.......that's life. But, too many of the threads on here turn into street fights every time someone asks a question.
This is an open forum
You don't have to be a racer to ask about racing.
You don't have to be a boat builder to talk about boat building.
and you don't have to be a lawyer....to talk about the LLC.
T2x....... Shut up and answer the damn question.
09-29-2003 | 03:45 PM
#50
Allergic to Nonsense
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 5,007
Likes: 21
From: Granite Quarry, NC
Originally posted by DebbieRacer
Please you all need to get along for the Racers and Sponsors. We will all lose if you do not get along and you start changing the race sites and rules the Racers will bail out and get feed up. Please we all need to work together.We all have sponsors that where sold on Corpis Christi, Bahama's, Tampa Bay and Key West
Please for this year get together for the racers let's work it out.
Thank you,
Debbie Fleischman/OPBRA President
Please you all need to get along for the Racers and Sponsors. We will all lose if you do not get along and you start changing the race sites and rules the Racers will bail out and get feed up. Please we all need to work together.We all have sponsors that where sold on Corpis Christi, Bahama's, Tampa Bay and Key West
Please for this year get together for the racers let's work it out.
Thank you,
Debbie Fleischman/OPBRA President
Treat her with respect.
T2x
Last edited by T2x; 09-29-2003 at 03:48 PM.
