Joey,
I not saying you have not been talking about the 525 and the 500....personnally I would like to hear from all the racers the race F-Class..thats what this is all about....so all the teams can deside were to race....thats all....I said in my reply if guys are not racing in 2004 in F-class or not thinking of doing it let the teams talk that are going to..thats all...
As far as the Hall of Champions...its handled and Mark and I are looking foward to it....

Mike

I am confused

when we put on our race this year had i told the participants

"if you show up at the next race you will get your money and trophy for this race"

i think we would have been hung

had i expected anyone to walk away without either the trophy or money our credibility would have been toast

If i told them "i didn't get money from my sponsor so you will not be getting yours" the response would have been, and should have been "so? how does that effect me??"

I once had a customer tell me that even though i provided parts to his company that he had requested from us (with a PO) that he couldn't pay us because General Motors (his customer)hadn't payed him

SO? GM wasn't my customer. He was!! why would that effect me

Joe deserves his money for his placing
and i am sure that had he said to your people\

"I will pay my entry fee when my sponsors pay us" you would have told him to hit the road

you have talked of integrity in the sport I think that has to start HERE and do the right thing by Joe's team

and these statements by you are interesting

"You reap what you sow. You have run your mouth, run us down, acted like an immature punk and cried like a !@#$!@$@#$ girl." and

"Then shut your pie hole and move on already"

Don't you think THAT is immature?? and unproductive??

I don't think there was a prior requirement that you had to attend Orange Beach to get prizes and trophies from another race you entered that year was there??


again just trying to understand not trying to be argumentative

Marc

we are working on sponsorship/program for 2004...1st plan is to sell F2-21 and run another class that phil and i wanted to run prior to the DONZI....plan 2 is really one and the same as the 1st priority, we need to sell F2-21. the 3rd plan is really easy, race what we have! keep existing sponsors and add to them for 2004....right now there is A LOT of questions going on...adding to them IMO is not the answer...as it stands,,,mike a. is correct on this one, i am on the side lines watching to see what happens...i am not about to add another sponsor, take the money, make promises. the sponsorship was for ONLY 3 races on the "in writing" schedule !. paying them back them back in full after the KW worlds was canceled was not fun!

Steve M. or Mike A.,
Some of the guys are concern of the realiability of the 496...some F1 guys have run it and said it had problems....can we shed some light alittle on the engine....if something gose wrong in the first couple of races or do you see any problems and if so what can we do.....I think it may help a few F1 teams....
Thanks
Gino

I've sat her reading this thread with great interest, and have to tell y'all, I was really impressed...
right up until the last page.
Joey, the reason for this thread was for the discussion of the future of Factory class. It came about because everyone wanted one motor, one weight, one drive. Only problem was, some of us wanted OUR motor to be the one motor that was chosen. Bottom line was, everyone wanted changes, and wanted them now. APBA Offshore is doing exactly what we've been asking them to do, again. If you disagree with the one motor being discussed, I would be interested in hearing why, and what your suggestion would be. Otherwise, why don't you and Mike step out back and handle it out of the publics view.
I can't believe I'm going to type this, but I'm impressed with Outer42's responses. Dude, you really can have an open mind! Finally!
I for one appreciate it.
In fact, it does my heart good to see guys like you and Frank asking straight questions and getting straight answers. No more bullchit and rumors on both sides getting thrown around. NOW were cookin!
Ok, While I was all for a 496 based motor I wasn't for going to Mother Mercury to get it. However, I do see many advantages to the idea. Fact is, the HP500 wasn't the handbuilt racing engine that Mercury Racing would lead us to believe. The short block of the 496Mag H.O. is probably as strong or stronger than the HP500's 502 shortblock. A couple of Factory class racers have said they wanted a motor that was unique to APBA racing, kind of like the HP500's had the fancy valve covers. Something like that would be cool, but would also just add to the cost. Still, a "Competition Series" motor may be something for Mother Mercury to consider??.
As for the suggestion of more than just Innovation being allowed to seal the Factory motors, We used to have something like 14 different places all over the nation. A couple of them were somehow getting WAY more HP and torque from their "stock?" HP500's than any of the other certified rebuilders. We wanted fair racing and equal engines, so the only answer was to go to one rebuilder. CRE was formed, and the rebuilding/sealing process has worked without question. If we could find a way for 2 or 3 rebuilders to handle this while still keeping equal tollerances across the board, I'd be all for it, but you'd have to prove to me that they would be fair and equal. It will be a hard sell.
Personally, I'm all for the changes as they were stated by Mike and Steve. I'm not sure I agree with the "one weight" but It's a huge step in the right direction that also opens the class to new teams.

Marc, put on a really good race in my home town...i grew up there washing race boats as a kid, DREAMING...our team was unable to race in GH in 2003. for numerous reasons that i was totally up front with Marc and his better looking 1/2.

We did cover his/her's smoke on the water poker run! ever aspect of the even was a success, even when the weather was less than cooperative! We NEED more race promoters like Marc....you get exactly what you expect and maybe more from him!

MIKE A,
YOU DON'T HAVE TO GET ME ANYTHING THANKS ANYWAY,MAYBE A SET OF STERLINGS 1450 WOULD BE NICE THOUGH.

Thanks Mike,
And I know this is going to freak some people out when they read it......
Happy Holidays Mike and Steve!!!! and thanks for the help....
Gino

mike,

so if we do all this, ( wich sounds real good ) you should also stay with four blade props only. this will also eliminate a lot of cost.

Treadwell

joe,

shutup for once, would you. the **** is over. it's time to rebuild whats left. you are last on the list and will stay there for a while. if you show up and are ready to race i am more then sure you wil be taken care of.

Treadwell