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From what I hear the lack of respect for UIM, and their impact on US offshore racing, will change shortly...........

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How so Phantom1??? I am not doudting your statement, I just can not figure out how. Offshore racing classes here has no compliance with many of the UIM classes over seas. I like the fact that SBI and those involved have worked out something with the UIM but what is it going to bring to the table or change for that matter our sport here??????? Never understood the impact of having UIM here if we can not make the sport work as a whole here in the USA. Can someone give a clear answer to this PLEASE!!!!

Thank You,
DPT

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Here's what I've learned so far.

Apperently the old APBA LLC pushed UIM to the side while trying to build its own brand name. Hence no mention of APBA on the UIM web site.

Bob Bull has now taken a seat on the UIM board to try and make the classes on both sides of the pond similar to promote cross racing and a true World Championship.

I'll agree with Phantom, we might see some european boats at this years worlds.

If OSS would contract with SBI to make two of thier races SBI/APBA/UIM divisional races, that would solve the whole problem. Cost would be under 10K for the whole deal, if people want to work together....... Randy, does that solve your problem?

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DHAW, you are missing the piont.........there are two organizations and that is not going to change so why is a world's on sbi's rules the only true world's (call it what ever you want it is mainly US boats, the UIM is bs hype, apba offshore was not even recognized by uim for the last several years, last year was the first in awhile), we all will be racing in just another national event if we don't bring all boats together for a true world's........if that is not possible than we will have two world champions....once again...is that what anybody really wants? Reguardless of all this preseason bantering most boats will run with which organization they want. That leaves the racers to demand a world championship, not a cake party for either organization. Like Shane pointed out it would be hard to add additional races...and that won't happen anyway due to obvious political reasons and a waste of money, or we would not be having this exchange of pleasantries.

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Ron P, good point has this been formally presented to anyone? What about registration for the next year or current year.........do we have to register with sbi also? Glad to see you are making an effort.

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Besides the history of a "World Championship" being held in Key West, The class one boats dont come over here and they have budgets in the millions,
And as a fan I would be certainly pissed to spend my money on hotel, etc
to view a world championship with NO Supercats, Sorry but that is the main event like it or not, SBI lists 3 will they race this season.

The Banter that goes on here is heresay at best, which including myself am responsible for, when a sactioning body has something to say they use a press release, they certainly arent going to argue here on the forum like we *** tend to do. There are many members for OSS Board of directors on OSO, they do not condemn or critisize SBI/APBA in public, it is what it is. Yet many members of this forum constaintly critisizes OSS, and thier efforts to promote offshore racing via NON-PROFIT, why is this???


In my opinion I would love a unified championship, but i dont care if its in KW. Maybe with UIM help :rolleyes: we can *** go to Dubai for a world championship.

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our boat will be at every oss event for the entire year on display.anyone can come buy and check it out.if everyone of our fellow racers and great spectators go out and buy ettore squeegees we will be back racing with all our friends.help a race team out.

thank you

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No sure, but if I could figuere it out, I'm sure others can too.

Seems like a simple enough answer to put all this to bed.

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Randy....man you have changed....what happend to race were your happy and go have fun.....you want a true Worlds...do 2 races in SBI/ APBA or Get with your OSS members and hold a OSS World Championship and invite everyone racing SBI/APBA on differnet dates then SBI/APBA Worlds and if the other teams want to show then great....You ran 5 National races last year...you used to run 12 to 15 races in F1....if you can't afford racing two more races and one being in New York and one in Elizabeth City which is 6 hours or so I don't get it....
Take your own advise...so race were your happy and have fun...quite your *****!ing....personally I hope you get to race in Key West with or without the 2 races.....But last I check OSS has rules and SBI / APBA has rules....so how about show a little respect and abide by them....I remeber just a few years ago you wanted everyone to race under one banner...now you just want it this way....
I say this to you and not anyone else on this thread because I know you and raced with you.....I know you and your team....you could do 2 more races along with a lot of other OSS teams ...there are plenty of OSS teams that have plenty of money...and remeber you have the hightest prise money's.....Randy you choose not to do any SBI / APBA races...thats the truth...even if a OSS race gets cancaled you still won't show....and thats OK your choice....but come on give it a rest already.....I'll see you in Pickwick, TN.

Glenn...were are you when I need you....

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Not sure but maybe something to do with the Manufacturer paying for the airtime?? just a guess (Factory racing)

what beach are you refering to??? I have been to plenty of races and most people dont even know what is going on, except if they follow the sport, if they are at the beach and a boat race breaks out great, Free entertainment. Too many are impressed with the fleet of helocopters flying above. I would also guess as Saturday being a better beach day and Sunday familes go to church, and other family functions.

I am not that big of a fan of KW anyway so i could care less if OSS goes there, however i would like *** the racers to be able to race for a National Championship, because we are re***y only kidding ourselves with the World title. When's the last time you saw Japan win the world series??? They play baseb*** as well. If the Team Owners?Racers are happy where they are at, Why should it re***y matter to any of us, voicing our opinion is freedom of speech, but do you actu***y think you are going to convince *** the OSS guys to leave and race SBI/APBA??

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Randy...one other thing...I'm not here to get in a pisssing contest with you....we all said starting in Jan. we would discuss the topics of racing....I'll tell you what I'll do....you pay for the equipment fees for SBI/APBA and I'll pay for 2 of your entry fees for SBI/APBA races....next you have more freinds around then you know what to do with...I'm sure some of your boys at the Ft. Lauderdale race can find you guys some beds to sleep on...also there are plenty of places to store the boat in Fl. and get ready for Pickwick. If your really concerded about the money and thats the reason...I'll help...a bunch of your Jersey Boys are going to be in Luaderdale and I'm sure you,Glenn and your crew would have fun.....
The offer stands...just let me know....
and if you notice thats twice I did'nt call you Prairie Dog!!!!

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Hey Ted, why is A - L - L turning into ***?

PS, A boat from Japan won the 2002 SBI Worlds in New Orleans in the Superboat class.

PSS, Since Fabio came over last year and won in P2, why didn't APBA recognize his UIM affilation and grant him the championship?

All we fans have ever asked for was unified world championship. KW is John's location, everyone is welcome to come as long as they meet his rules. Look for a simple answer, like I suggested above. Sometimes you have to put good of the sport over the good of the organization.

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Thanks Ron,
My point being, to re***y make it a World Championship shouldnt teams from *** over the world converge on KW, Do they even know about it ?

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Its fun to bicker and all, but look how far things came along last year. KW is 7 months away. Lots can happen between then and now, and of course it will be interesting to watch unfold.

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PeteB stated in another post..."OSS is a not for profit organization dedicated to the further development and growth of offshore powerboat racing in North America."

Well if that is the case then you guys should be doing whatever it takes to join up with Sbi/APBA. I can think of nothing better for the sport in terms of growth and development!!!

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Maybe better time slots???

Maybe people understood it more, if you enjoy factory racing more , thats great. It looks as if this year there will be a comeback year and maybe the factories will get involved, as they should. thats what may draw new fans in, as well as bring back some old ones back.

I do however find it so humorous that if it is not popular vote as to were to race or support you get brow beaten, If you think SBI/APBA is the best thing going thats great, enjoy it,
you never know the guy sitting next to you drinking a beer maybe me, I enjoy the sport, not the politics.

As for DHLaw,
That is the OSS signature. C*** them ask them why they dont just run up and join up!!!!

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Dry, where did you get the TV numbers from? I never could find out what the ratings were.

As for people on the beach (Sat vs Sun) what was the weather like on both days. At least when it's cold and lousy out, you get a true indication of how many people come just to watch the race. The rest were there anyhow.

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Why are you guys so bias? OSS isnt going to join SBI, the guys with the BIG pockets have their own series I think we just have to deal with it/ :drink:

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DHLAW-OSS boats do not have to race any certain amount of races but,we all agree to make as many as we can financially afford to support our fans and our organazation.Todd Welling has been on all of the supercat conference calls and is ready for Biloxi along with David and JT and the new Bacardi Silver supercat.Biloxi will be great and the next stop at Pier 57 will be awesome as the whole state of Tennessee is pumped.Orange Beach is going all out for our best race ever.I think both organizations will have great seasons.I wish us all a safe and fun year and a great promotion of the sport we love. Gary , NICHOLS OFFSHORE/PIER 57

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OSS was invited by the Conch Republic to Key West last year not by SBI.If we are invited to race this year we will have a owners meeting and vote on our future, thats why I love OSS its the American way.

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Gary, that was one of my initial questions... whether there is a penalty for not attending the races on the schedule. I understand that you are saying that there is not a penalty then? Will we see you and that bad ass boat at some Sbi races this year?? I sure hope so!!!

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Gino thanks for the offer but does that include the rest of the OSS fleet. I don't want to race against 3-4 boats in my class and call myself the world champion. If its so important to have 2 starts with SBI and John REALLY wants a TRUE world championship then let the OSS teams run for FREE so everyone qualify's. Thats only if it's because the rules of UIM are so strictly and its truly not a political way of keeping OSS out. The way I see it the ball is in Johns C. court and if he wants it to happen it REALLY EASY.
People dont have to like me but have to race me to call themselves a World Champion. Not letting me race because someone wants financial gain from me sucks!
MD :evilb:

PS. Gino do I know you?

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"I don't want to race against 3-4 boats in my class and call myself the world champion"..... Nice. Setting the tone so you may complain later that poor OSS gets bashed........

Also, why in the hell would John let you guys race for free?? That just doesnt even make sense. Are you that self important that you feel you are entitled to race with sbi at the worlds?? Maybe the ego comments are on point.......

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Thank you Gary Nichols for posting.

Shane B, No I will not be the crewing for Team Imco, I travel for work out of the country for unspecified amounts of time, I have been invited to crew on various teams when available this season, and will attend races when i can.

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Randy....I understand what your saying and I'm not saying its right or wrong...I want to race against all SV's in Key West for the Worlds but I don't own any Organizations and don't want to...I'm just saying if SBI/APBA wants a 2 race minimun...then thats there disition and we should respect it and race there or not....I made you the offer because if it was about the money I would assist...you and your teams have helped me when a ran my Fountain plenty of times and would not take any money from me.."just buy us a beer"....I'm just returning the favor.

Gary....it would be good to see the OSS guys at some SBI/APBA races if they can make it...if not maybe something will workout were we will all race together...either way we are looking foward to Orange Beach...It dosn't matter what Organization is hosting the Orange Beach race...it is just a great place to race and thanks for your involvment for putting it together....

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Sbi/Apba does not need Oss , Oss needs them, Go race your 6 races (if you have them) and have fun.

Mike

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ouch!

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Gary

You are very well respected man on the racing circuit and have my respect as well. The statement above is false. Conch recieved the TDC grant and in turn signed with JC and SBI. At the Miami boat show(2004) John and Deanna met with Elaine and I believe Todd Werner in the fountain booth and OSS signed a letter of intent to run in Key West with SBI and Conch. During the Sarasota race last year APBA signed a contract with SBI to race with them in KW and then within a couple of days OSS finally signed the finalized contract. The point is moot now, but misinformation is what gets offshore racing in the state that it is, well that and egos.

Guys go race where it is best for your team and your sponsors and more importantly be safe

Trent Weyant

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As I said before egos aside, OSS doesnt need SBI they have the BIG wallets. They can do whatever they want.

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I agree with you totally and for those in OSS that dont have the big wallets they have Sugar Daddy's with big wallets. But Mr Kerbdog, I am sure you are a businessman of some sort. How many more times would you reach into your own pocket and spend spend spend(going into the millions by now). And on top of it get no return. The people that are putting the money into it(OSS) are very successful businessman and they didnt get to where they are today, by throwing money away. It wont last long, I can assure you of that, they are too intelligent.

Trent

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OSS, "An OSS membership is about Commitment with a Capital C, and about Responsibility with a Capital R. OSS is committed to its racers, and OSS racers are committed to all OSS races. OSS racers pledge their appearance at all OSS designated races (with one throw out allowed.) "

I don't see the words "require" or "mandatory" in that statement. :rolleyes:

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way to go paul.hope you have a great and safe season.

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Committment = an agreement or pledge to do something in the future (merriam webster)

Responsibility = able to answer for one's conduct and obligations (MW)

Had the sentence "OSS racers pledge their appearance at all OSS designated races " not been included in the same paragraph in fact ending it, what meaning would the former words have??

Have some intellectual honesty here.... notice the question has still not been answered! IS there any penalty, or sanction whatsoever for failing to attend OSS races?? That means a frowning on up to a financial fine......

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come on guys let it go.quit beating a dead horse.whats done is done.quit bickering.

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if all organizations race together again great if not it is what it is.people will always race where they want and with who they want.why does everyone have to hate on people for not racing in their organization?

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Its like arguing over democratic/republican doctrine..... just goes nowhere. I still am curious why my question remains unanswered. It is not a dead horse, it is a legitimate question that affects whether a team would pay $$ to join an organization. If I have to pay $$ to join then will be chastised for not attending the whole season I want to know. It is not only relevant, it necessary to making sound business decisions.

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This is soo not about personal issues and hating people!!! Its about being so close to finally having a single sanctioning body and tremendous leverage to bring the sport to a new level but experiencing resistance for NO APPARENT REASON. Why will OSS not fold into Sbi and be as one?? What are the issues??

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i dont know maybe because we were treated like crap last year.we joined with sbi before apba did for the worlds and we were treated with no respect.it felt like we were outcast.and all we wanted to do was race.oss got put in the back lot.that means alot to people how they are treated.if we were treated with respect this might not even be an issue.how can join something where there is no respect and all that was wanted from us was money.we werent even recognized.thats pretty sad

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shane will you be racing pitsburg and benicia this year?

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do you know how many boats are registered with popra.i would love to see a thirty boat count this year.