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IS therepenalty, any or sanction whatsoever for failing to attend OSS races?? That means a frowning on up to a financial fine......[/QUOTE]

Simple answer...NO.

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Right on Paul! Thats all I wanted to know... So it is entirely possible to join OSS and run a race that is in a hometown but not others without any fallout. Sounds fair.

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If I have to pay $$ to join then will be chastised for not attending the whole season I want to know. .[/QUOTE]

"Chastise" Webster's: "to discipline,esp.by corporal punishment"

Probably would have heard about that :D

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You mean the OSS board doesnt take you into the tent and give you a whoopin!!! :)

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Now I got Whittier looking in Websters!!! I am raising the game for all organizations!!!!

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Some folks might look forward to a good spanking :eek:

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Pual, good to see you chine in and put things to rest.....

D-law....who knows you just might have to take the Cig Super-V out to a OSS race.....

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Paul,

You have a Private Message....

TS

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Once again Wrong, OSS was the last organization to join into the worlds last year. Yes a letter of intention was signed at the Miami Boat show by OSS, but you know I intend to be a millionaire tommorrow too! A letter of intention and $3.50 will get ya a cup of coffee at Starbucks. I am guessing but maybe the reason you feel that you guys were treated the way you were, was the fact that you were the last ones to join up officially and then your CEO gets up at the drivers meeting and says that her "5 trips to KW got this thing together and thank you to Conch, SBI, and APBA for your assistance". Respectfully, everyone else knows that Mr Spotswood and JC put it together with the assistance of Bob, Pops, and misc OSS officials.

Once again please posts facts, Misinformation just leads to trouble , as if we dont have enough of that already in this sport.

Trent
Good luck where ever you chose to race this year

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f1-00,why dont you take a look at the oss website and scroll down till you hit world championships and take a look at the date it was on wed march 31 2004 stated that it would be a joint world championships with sbi and oss.i didnt hear anything about apba.maybe you need to get your facts!

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Trent and anyone else remember there is always 2 sides to every story. Its normaly how you want to see it that picks which story you beleve.
MD :(

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Honestly, I try to avoid the OSS website. I think Randy is the one that said " OSS only posts races that have signed contracts" Last year we saw how that worked out for OSS(not true) and once again this year. I know for a fact that OSS never had a contract with Louisville, yet they posted it, they still dont have a contract with KW yet it is still posted, for that matter OSS isnt even invited, but its on the OSS website. So bottom line, the OSS web site is nothing but Smoke and Mirrors to me. As I stated above, a Letter of INTENT was signed at the Miami Boat Show. Both SBI and OSS released this letter of INTENT on their respective websites, and yes in the letter of INTENT there was no mention of APBA. And yes OSS officials had a contract(unsigned) in their hands from March forward and after over 10 revisions they finally signed it and made it official AFTER APBA had already done so. Best thing for you to do is to call your Board of Directors or your CEO and I am sure that you will find that they had the letter of INTENT from March but never signed the contract until AFTER Sarasota, which is where APBA signed the contract. I have my facts straight sir

Good luck to you this year and I look forward to meeting you at the 2 SBI/APBA races this year that you guys run in order to be qualified for KW.

Trent

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OK lets get off last year and move forward this year. Does SBI want OSS to race in KW? Lets start with that!
MD

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Randy, Not picking an arguement here, but i disagree, especially when it comes to Offshore racing. There are 3 sides to a story, the first side, the second side and finally the truth.

I still love ya bud, but your making it real hard on me to try and figure out where the heck your coming from sometimes with your posts on here. When we first met, I got the impression that all you cared about was racing, whether it was with SBI, APBA, OPA, etc etc Now you have become a sort of spokesman and believe that running 2 races, another 2 that piggybacked GLSCS, and 1 race that piggybacked SBI is the best thing since sliced bread. Come on bud, bring the old smack talking Candy back, we miss him.

Trent

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OSS isn't invited to Key West now??? :confused:

What happened to the 2 starts and anyone can run?

Trent,
Are you speaking on behalf of SBI/APBA/UIM/WPR ???

Damn! For something so simple, it sure is getting confusing around here lately.... :rolleyes:

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It's way too early for racers to dig their heals in the dirt and draw lines in the sand regarding who is invited and who is not welcomed at a hosted world championship.

A championship title is gauged by history based on who is invited and who is not welcomed to challenge. The greater the exclusion the less the title is worth.

Each organization has their programs and the organization that holds a title championship should invite all those that are willing to challenge for a title as long as they are qualified by their respective organizations and can mount a respectable challenge. To not do so is disrespectful of the other organization, it's members and the fans. It is usually met with the same respect making both titles worth less in the long run.

AC

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OSS as an organization has never been invited for 2005.

Yes any racer that has 2 SBI/APBA national or divisional classes are eligible for KW in the class that they race those two races in.

No I am not speaking on behalf of SBI/APBA, I am speaking on behalf of that I took the time to read the SBI/APBA rulebook that has been posted on their website.

It is simple, its in black and white and accessable 24 hours a day to anyone with internet access.

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If your buying I'm flying!!

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its real easy Mr Kat ANY racer(SBI, APBA, OSS, POPRA, GLSCS, or OPA), races in any 2 SBI/APBA races and they are eligible to give you the 110% that you desire. ALL Racers are invited, they just have to follow the simple rules placed forth on the SBI/APBA website

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The SIMPLE RULES aren't always so simple....

For those two races plus the 3 races in Key West, here is a rule all other racers should be aware of:

Section C page 32

Competitors should not display on their boat, uniforms or transporter the logo of any non-SBIP/APBA offshore racing sanctioning body or any other such sanctioning body. SBIP/APBA reserves the right to require the removal of any such logos or marks as a condition of entry into an EVENT.

Those that choose to race both sanctioning bodies may want to consider Velcro patches for your uniforms, Magnetic Signs for your transporter, and cut a pre-season deal ahead of time with Ryan Beckly for all the decals for the boat that will have to go on and off throughout the season....
What does this mean for "The Jersey Boyz" and OPA???
Will they have to strip their colors from their boats when they race with SBIP/APBA? :confused:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but OPA is their own sanctioning body with their own insurance...
I don't believe they are the NE Division of SBI any longer...
Graphics and Uniforms will get very expensive. Especially that you will also need to add the SBIP/APBA sponsor's logos to your uniforms...
Good Luck all!!! :drink:

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hope there is a lot of prize money!!!!

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Yeah, thats why we race...... for the money........

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Yup, OPA also. Our races don't count.

This rule is nothing new, it's always been in the books. I believe it's now being enforced because of the renewed enthusiasm for the UIM.

In the past if you didn't have the two starts, you could still race, just not for the World Title. Is that still the plan?

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So OPA will be forced to remove all logos of OPA and other organizations from their boats, uniforms and transport vehicles to be able to enter the NY Race or any other SBI/APBA event they choose to run???

It's a shame.... It should be displayed proudly that certain racers choose to support all or any organizations that they race with.... :(

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DRY SUMP,

Please do not take shots at my buddy STARKEY, especially about SOB. That project was something very close to our hearts that should have worked with the amount of time we put in it but it did not so whatever. Just another jagged chapter in Offshore Powerboat Racing once again. Kind of like the whole unification deal everyone is talking about. Simple solution to everyone's problem is very, very,very simple. SHUT UP AND RACE!!!!!!!!!!!

DPT
:cool: :cool: :cool:
ps. DRY SUMP, what is your real name???? Please do not be childish and hide behind a screen name. THANK YOU!!!
:drink: :drink: :drink:

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Those opa boats made a big deal with there logos still on the boat for the new york race if it wasnt for them there wouldnt have been a race in new york, 11 out of the 22 that attended were opa boats

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I guess it is open for different interpretations... :rolleyes:


"Competitors should not display on their boat, uniforms or transporter the logo of any non-SBIP/APBA offshore racing sanctioning body or any other such sanctioning body."

Seems pretty clear to me that the rule is telling the racer NOT TO DISPLAY.... :rolleyes:

And yes, I was trying to bring back the Outboard Class to Offshore and reached out to all the associations in hopes to improve the boat count at all the races as well as provide a truely affordable Entry Level class. Most associations agreed to put on the Class only to have many broken promises from wanna-be racers. DPT & I did all we could. All the racers had to do was to show up and race. OPA still offers the class for 2005. Bring 5 and you can drive...so to speak! They will put the class on if they have 5 boats. Thank you OPA! ;)
So what's your POINT Sump? :confused:

BTW, if OPA, OSS, or any other association is approving, authorizing, consenting, supporting,and giving permission to race on a race course under their control, under their rules, and insurance, then yes.......THEY ARE A SANCTIONING BODY! :rolleyes:

DPT, thanks for watching my back!

And what Carbone said! Without OPA boats coming to not only NY, but many supported the SBI races throughout the Southeast.

Rules are rules though. And this year you say it will be enforced? Time will tell on that ...
They may want to reconsider that one. I can't see all these guys going thru the trouble of removing decals every other race and ordering additional uniforms.

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The KEY to your statement is THE WAY YOU SEE IT, that may not reflect reality, OSS is a very sucsessful group of businessmen, and if Offshore racing ever has a chance of making it big time these guys will get it done, Mercury Racing didnt get on board because its a losing effort. think about that when your drinking on your beer saturday after testing and you broke but DONT have the Mercury support truck there for the part you need.

if your such a fan of the sport, you should be posting *** the the sucsesses of the SBI/APBA/UIM merger and the bigger better things it will offer. how millions of fans will line up south beach to watch etc.

Last but not least who cares if OSS doesnt make it, with your percieved knowledge that they wont you should be elated, knowing some of thier racers may end up back at your sactioning body, then again they move just move on.

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What will Augie do with his back? How do you remove a tatoo for a race? Does anyone have that pic of his tatoo?
MD :D

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With all due respect..... Mercury's backing of OSS was most likely a result of APBA bringing GMC onboard not an endorsement and statement of longevityof the OSS organization.

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Its like any rule book. Some people have problems interpreting what the rule really says and go beond it knowing what it meant and then arguing that it didn't say it specifically in the rules. Like a manufacture we all know but I wont say. Shane is really good at this topic and maybe he can elaborate on the rules for SBI. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
MD

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Also how do you expect all the OSS teams to race if no one has your CRE seals on our motors. We all trust merc. seals but you dont. I hope you dont think 35 teams are going to rip there motor's out and spend the money to have them sealed by CRE again.

MD

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You dont have to rip them out...... you could just unbolt them.

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yes they were so worried GMC would take over PPPPPPPPPPPllleeeeeeeeeeaaaseeeeeeeeee.
It is time to come out of fantasy land, realize OSS is here to stay, it is a professional curcuit. and will only continue to grow.

I know you will continue to bash them, but most will consider the source.

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First Pete, I have not bashed them. I have asked some questions that have gone unanswered until Paul posted. And as far as "most will consider the source", most of who?? The 30 of you guys?? Further, GMC was never a threat to "take over" it was just a fact that mother Merc doesnt like competition in the marketplace, especially in the race arena. If you dont think that their actions were at least in part retaliatory then you are dilluted.

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AHHHHHHHHH,leave The Jersey Boyz outta this $hit. We race where, when and how we want and we have a ball doing it. As for The Jersey Boyz Logo tattooed on my back Randy ,it stays, screw them all! I'm a little confused, RACE WHERE YOU WANT! If you would like to race SBI/APBA/UIM Worlds in Key West this year race two (2) SBI/APBA/UIM Races during the 2005 season. Pretty simple to me. We as racers make it complicated. We all have a choice. Abide by the Sbi/APBA/UIM rules for Key West and race or don't. It's YOUR CHOICE. Whatever you do, do it safe and have a ball. Augie

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11 posts later and DRY SUMP has still not answered my question. Must be another silly person stirring up trouble, hiding behind a screen name again.

Dhlaw,
The details you added about CRE and so forth is part of the reason why OSS was formed in the first place. The owners group formed due to Mercury being pushed to the way side in factory classes and even Super Cat classes. MA had the best formula for the sport and at the time had the best series the sport to date has ever seen. The decisions that were made to make owners have to spend $$$s for new power plants across the board is from some stand point what pushed the Supercat fleet to leave and run in Key West that year that year. Hence the later formation of OSS. OSS has the support of Mercury do to there loyalty to Mercury. The Stock class guys are also the most loyal candidates as well.

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Well said GODFATHER.

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The CRE info was not my post.

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Sorry about that. Either way, now you know and knowing is half the battle. People just need to shut up about UIM and so forth and just SHUT UP AND RACE!!!!!!!!! Prove all youR silly little posts on the race course and be done with it. The constant idiotic bickering among some of you is why this sport has not prospered to the points we all wish it would. ENOUGH WITH THE BS, GET YOUR BOATS READY AND GO RACE!!!!!!!!