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I was checking out the SBI site and it has 81 boats for the boat count. I looked at the boats on the page and there I find it hard to believe that there will be 81 boats racing. I also thought Pro Marine was not racing this year?

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it looks good on paper :rolleyes:

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Can anyone post the list of boats that are not coming back this year? :drink:

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There will probably be teams that cant make Miami but will be at the rest of the season. We will be lucky to get the boat back and be ready.

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That list comes from everyone who registered for 2005 in Key West. Things will change and I am sure some won't race. I do know of two that are not on either list that will be racing SBI/APBA

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What 2???

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The Miami race will let you know aprox. boat count for season for SBI/APBA and Biloxi will let you know aprox. count for OSS. A few teams wont make the first race of the season for either organization but ALL the serious racers are ready to show. Other than building a new boat that got delayed everyone had all winter to get ready. The first race will give you a good idea for the season what you will get.
MD :evilb:

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Dhlaw we have 2 boats and only one is listed, and Keith Herbott will be racing a formula in F1. If all goes well in Miami, there will be a canopied boat joining us probably starting at Sarasota

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Formula in F1. Excellent!

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Right on!!

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Is Herbott running a 29' Formula or a 27'??? Really good to see Factory 1 showing potential growth again. This class was great once and from the looks of it will be great once again. Hopefully individual Manufacturers will help out like they did years ago with contingency programs for factory racers or just support for there factory racers throughout the season. Best of Luck to all Teams in 2005.

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we are one of the new teams on the website, our boat will be late in the season before it is ready, delays and holdups have caused us to be a late entry. By the looks of things Sarasota will probably be our first race. Now if the interior guy could just get his job done.
P5-21
Pirate Racing team
Travis Denham
Throttles

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Welcome Travis, I have been following your build and the boat looks great

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thanks Scott, means a lot, I watched you race in Key West and even have one of your tee shirts!!!:)
Can't wait to meet all of you guy's. This will be a learning year for us. See you guy's their

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We are not on the SBI/APBA but will be racing in SV....Were just waiting to finalize our main sponsor...I'm schedule to sign on April 7th and then will send SBI/APBA our # and team name.....There is also a few other teams that are not on there....but its not my place to say who...I'm sure you will find out soon enough....they maybe just waiting for there boats to be done

Its great to see Formula back into F1 again....

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We won't make Miami, but will be starting in Sarasota.

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Dry Sump can you please answer the question of which boats will not be racing? Your saying that certain boats will not be racing anymore. Who are they?

Thank you :drink:

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Lets hope that is not true or OSS may have a short season. Is it true that Oss members must be at every race?? If there are schedule conflict for teams running both is there a penalty for not going to the OSS race?

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Ettore will still be involved, maybe not on the race course but will still be involved until they get a new boat. Instigator will be racing this year all over the place from what I hear and Muscle from what I heard also is supposed to be getting a new boat so I guess some info Dry Sump had was not entirely accurate but some of his info is good though. I think that others on that list may pop in here and there and race as well if there boats were not sold.

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Also it is more appealing to Mercury powered boats to run OSS as well with the contingency fund they have put in place with the OSS series. Either way enjoy the racing and lets all party in Key West at the end of the year for another true WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP.

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Are the worlds going to be a joint venture again???

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No clarification on that but no matter what they should be. If you were there last year you will completely understand why I mean that.

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I would really like to see the OSS boys come to the table with JC and hammer out a deal that would put us all under one banner. What would it take? Are there substantive issues that prevent this?

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Only JC & OSS can tell us that.

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Quite simply, no

Yes Dennis you are right last fall was special, but that was a SBI race. With JC being APBA/UIM now also, the rule states that a team must have 2 SBI/APBA/UIM starts in order to be eligible for KW. KW could be the same as it was last year, but obviously some teams have some choices, lets hope they make the right ones so we can all enjoy it again.

Trent Weyant

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Hopefully this will drive some OSS teams to SBI national or divisional races to qualify for KW. I'd hate to see OSS do something on thier own.

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A very unfortunate situation again, politics, egos, money *** in the way, it will certainly be a shame for fans attending, who are always on the losing side of disputes. look at the NHL.

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Ron,
Don't get your hopes up...............its unfornuate, but if both organizations don't come together for one race, I am sure there will be two world's again.

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The rule states that a team must have 2 SBI/APBA/UIM starts in order to be eligible for KW.

Does "in order to be eligible" mean that two starts puts you in contention for a World Championship or can a team show up and race without any chance of being a World Champion?
Can a team race without the two starts despite the fact that they would not be an official world champion, if they won?
I don't know if that makes sense but maybe you get the question.

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I will take a stab at this..... I dont think that you can run the worlds without the requisite 2 races. The common sense reason would be that you would not want to be out there among boats that have a legitimate shot at a world championship and risk being involved in an incident. Also, I think that thw worlds being after the October31 date commits you to 2 years of equipment registration. That is a good move for the organization.

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It sound like a pretty week rule to make teams race 2-SBI races to qualify. Practically NO ONE cares about UIM record and to make that the sticking point is craze. If we have to follow UIM rules then we should show up in KW with the old A motors in SVL. If rules are rules. As far as I have been told they dont even have the same classes as SBI/APBA and does the Fabio boat race 2 races a year with John or the guy from Argentina or are those special rules? What if there were other teams from around the world that wanted to race in the WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP would you say no to them? What rules does the UIM have for P class qualifications?
All Im saying as an OSS member is it sounds like either you dont want OSS teams to compete for a true WORLD title or its another way to strong arm teams to race with SBI and collect our money.
Im sorry if that sounds harsh but its the way many teams feel in OSS. I may be the only one to say it but its whats felt by the racers
And while Im on it look at the cost for teams to have to do 2 more races.Annual Registration for boat and crew $2,000, $3000 reg. for 2 races,travel,rooms an other $4000 for 2 races. Boat maint $4000 if nothing breaks! and time off work. Then another annual reg. $2000 at race in KW, now i'm a little SVL team and I'm way over $15,000 to qualify the 2 race requirement to have the privilege to race in the WORLDS. Add another $100,000 to a Super Cat team and Multiply that by 40 teams and the cost to be eligible to race at the worlds with you for the OSS fleet is in the Millions. Get the big picture NOW!!!! You should be asking us to please come and support KW and SBI so we can ALL compete for a TRUE World Title that was earned on the course.
Can I have a hell yeh!!!!! or Amen!!!!!
MD

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Tell us how you really feel Randy, as far as Fabio goes, I believe former World Champions are grandfathered in

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AMEN, AMEN................I hate to agree with MD he is much easier to argue with, but I think he put well.....let the racers race together once a year,wherever it needs to be, funny how uim did not matter last year....other than a separate award for uim members, that don't have a uim class.

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Randy, "All Im saying as an OSS member is it sounds like either you dont want OSS teams to compete for a true WORLD title or its another way to strong arm teams to race with SBI and collect our money."

OSS, "An OSS membership is about Commitment with a Capital C, and about Responsibility with a Capital R. OSS is committed to its racers, and OSS racers are committed to all OSS races. OSS racers pledge their appearance at all OSS designated races (with one throw out allowed.) "

So, its OK for OSS to require mandatory appearances at all OSS races irrespective of whether the team may want to go to another race, but not OK for Sbi to require you run 2 races?? Come on now, you guys just want to have your cake and eat it too. You want independence for the season but want to be a part of the Worlds at the end of the year? If it were about comittment with a capital C and responsibility with a capital R then under your rules if OSS was the host of the worlds Sbi racers would not be able to race...... Hypocrisy?? It might be.......

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As a past world champion then I dont need to qualify? Is that correct? I heard that before also.
MD

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You better call, don't take my word for it because I don't know for sure
Its something I heard as well

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OSS racers are committed to racing all 8 races for the 05 season. To add 2 more to our schedule is not passable for many teams with limited time. OSS has a business model that says race with us first and if you want you can race where ever you want after that. This way they can count on boat counts to sell the big show to promoters and sponsors. Its all about knowing what you have to sell to sponsors and not letting them down. I happen to agree with it.

My guess: Not including the worlds

OSS has Aprox 40 teams which 30 teams do all 6 races on schedule.

SBI/APBA has Aprox 60 teams which 15 teams do all 11 races on schedule.

More races are not always good if you cant count on everyone to show at all the races.
MD

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Looking at the schedules, there are 11 SBI/APBA races not including the Worlds and there are 6 OSS races not including the worlds.
I think it would be that hard to fit in a few more.
If I had the money some of you guys do tied up in racing, I would definately want to race more than 6 races.

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Randy, assuming you place, there will be prize money and if you do NY you'll save more money on travel and hotels. It may not cost as much as you think

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I believe if you can prove the boat is from overseas, you can come to race the World Championships.
Dhlaw is correct on what he says!!