Like Tree2Likes

29 Nu Era & IMCO SCX upper and lower

Reply
Old 03-15-2017, 01:37 PM
  #1
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 50
Default 29 Nu Era & IMCO SCX upper and lower

Well I am getting ready to purchase a IMCO SCX upper and lower. I have been towed in from the Pacific Ocean too many times and Bravo is no longer part of my vocabulary. I am only running about 725hp and my gears have been fine with no pitting. The issue is I keep breaking the lower Vertical Shaft and I am done. 80% of my boating is in the ocean and a 30' boat with a full tank of gas, ice, food, drinks, 2 anchors (You get the picture) is just to much weight for a single Bravo while skipping along at 50 - 70 mph IMO. I looked at all American Drive Service with their Cryogenically treated parts but spoke to people who told me it broke on them as well. Since I can not fit a Transmission in my boat nor have the $ for a #6 the IMCO SCX seems to be my only choice.

This being said I was told the SCX lower unit is 2 inches shorter than my Bravo. I am using a Hydromotive P5x and was hoping I could get away with not adding a spacer or if I do only add a 1 inch spacer. Those spacers are $600.00!!! and IMCO does not have a Test Program to see what spacer will work the best. Does anyone have any experience with the SCX drive and what spacer, if any, is needed on a single drive 29 Nu Era?

I also spoke to IMCO about their option of Blueprinting the lower unit but they told me since I am only reaching about 80mph, the Blueprinting may not do much for me. Get over 100 mph and the Blue Printing starts to make a difference. The Blue Printing is about a 1K option.

By the way, I know I can break a IMCO SCX. I understand they are not bullet proof but for my application the SCX should be slightly over kill which is what I am looking for. I am just hoping to get 3 seasons of boating per out drive issue vs. 1/2 - 1 Season per drive issue. As a note i change my drive oil every 15 hours and never seen any chucks of metal on the magnet or oil drain pan.

Any feedback would be appreciated.
avbiro is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-15-2017, 11:25 PM
  #2
Registered
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 476
Default

Jimmy,

I will be 100% honest, you will be the first 29 NuEra equipped with an SCX. Lavey has built one 2750 and one 28 EVO with an SCX but both boats ran the SCX with -2 SC lower option because both customers didn't want to lose speed. Now, I understand and know the type of boating you do, I have driven your boat after the original engine refresh so I know the power of the engine, and if it were my boat I would do the full SCX outdrive. When a huge majority of your boating is in the ocean, losing 5 mph top speed isn't much of a concern but gaining a lot more reliability is a great plus! I've done the whole 5mph idle speed back to the launch ramp from 12 miles off the coast due to a broken outdrive, and it is not fun!

In regards to the SCX being 2" shorter and should you add a spacer... Yes the drive is shorter in depth, but it is also longer in length over a standard bravo style drive. A solid rule of thumb in pretty much every boat is that anytime you extend the prop aft, you also raise the height of the prop. So if I did the full SCX swap I would not add a spacer unless once the boat is ran it is obvious the X dimension is too high. You are already running a 5 blade so you will not have to worry about losing a ton of grip by going up 2" and you will most likely not have to change to a higher pitch thats commonly done when raising the X because of the fact the SCX takes more power to turn and also creates more hydronamic drag.

If you do in fact do this conversion I highly recommend working with my dad so he can drive the boat and help you figure out which direction you need to go for the X dimension settings. Every boat manufacture model is different and the same setup changes don't work for every one. The NuEra bottom is different than most and maybe even a little harder to know exactly what it needs. But he will be able to tell you exactly what it needs as soon as he drives it.

Last edited by lavey jr; 03-16-2017 at 12:29 AM.
lavey jr is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 12:01 AM
  #3
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 50
Default

Chris, I know you guys have put some big Teague engines in the 29's so what drives were your customers buying?Or maybe I misunderstood what you said about my 29 would be the first to have a SCX?
I was going to call your dad but I figured he was getting slammed right about now. I wanted to do some further research so I could understand what your dad recommends. Like always you are very helpful with a wealth of knowledge. I hope you are doing well Chris.

Jimmy
avbiro is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 12:25 AM
  #4
Registered
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 476
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by avbiro View Post
Chris, I know you guys have put some big Teague engines in the 29's so what drives were your customers buying?Or maybe I misunderstood what you said about my 29 would be the first to have a SCX?
I was going to call your dad but I figured he was getting slammed right about now. I wanted to do some further research so I could understand what your dad recommends. Like always you are very helpful with a wealth of knowledge. I hope you are doing well Chris.

Jimmy
One of the Teague 29 NuEra's was built with a Bmax drive and the rest were built with Mercury Bravo1 Teague Platinum drives. Most of the TCM 825 with the platinum drive setups are running around mid 90's. The best setup 29 NuEra TCM 825 and platinum drive runs low 100's. The Bmax boat had a TCM 1000 and only ran low 90's so it lost a lot of top end with that drive... These boats outdrives see a decent/average lifespan, but they are all lake driven boats. You are basically a pure ocean boater and that has a huge role in how long your drive is going to last. It's not a fair comparison on outdrive life to the other TCM powered 29 NuEra's.
lavey jr is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 11:25 AM
  #5
BUP
Registered
Trade Score: (6)
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ft. Worth TX
My Boats: 2017 - 29 Laveycraft Custom Build & SHE's Going to be a Bad Boy. www.laveycraft.com
Posts: 6,811
Default

We have been battling the same with what drive, then the transom assembly set up, then with what X and then the props and so on and so on. Other things that come in the mix, Set back boxes and whether a 2 inch shorty or the SCX 4. Really very hard to say what set up is going to be right for one specific app and how that boat is set up. IMO using the SCX and the SCX you are going to loose speed regardless. It would nt surprise me 3 to 8 mph loss. Again IMO.

The + side is reliability.

Really what it boils down to is money and testing different combo's and having the time to do so are the 3 huge major involvements here.
BUP is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 07:02 PM
  #6
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 50
Default

Thank you for the feedback.
I spoke to Chris Sr. this morning and he recommends the Standard SCX lower which has the length as the Bravo. My Bravo seemed to work well. No porpoising, great out of the hole and min. Chine in the upper speeds. The only thing I am struggling with is would I only loose 3 mph vs. 5 or more, if I purchase the 2" Shorty and add a 1 inch spacer.
Yes, I am pretty bummed out about spending 18K and loosing 5 MPH plus but I have to choose reliability over performance. My Merc Racing 575sci has such a good bottom end and with the Intercooler I will just increase the boost. If need be, I will refresh the Top end in about 250 hours. I rather know that I have to tear the heads off ever few years in the Winter vs. Russian Roulette when I am vacationing in the summer.
avbiro is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-16-2017, 08:43 PM
  #7
BUP
Registered
Trade Score: (6)
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ft. Worth TX
My Boats: 2017 - 29 Laveycraft Custom Build & SHE's Going to be a Bad Boy. www.laveycraft.com
Posts: 6,811
Default

the standard SCX is a 2 inch shorty compared to the standard bravo in less something changed recently with IMCO ?
BUP is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2017, 01:20 AM
  #8
BUP
Registered
Trade Score: (6)
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: Ft. Worth TX
My Boats: 2017 - 29 Laveycraft Custom Build & SHE's Going to be a Bad Boy. www.laveycraft.com
Posts: 6,811
Default

You know you beat me at buying your boat - 16 hours ahead of me. I flew out with check in hand and Jeff told me that he had a deposit on it. Jan 2011 or 2012 around that timeframe if I recall correctly
BUP is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-17-2017, 11:17 AM
  #9
Registered
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 50
Default

BUP,
That time frame sounds correct. It's all about Timming. There was a 2750 I was looking at a few months before I purchased the 29 but I did not jump on it quick enough and it got sold. I was supper bummed I missed out but I am happy with what I purchased. Used modern day closed bows are hard to find in the Western States. Thank you for the advice and knowledge
avbiro is offline  
Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2017, 03:49 AM
  #10
Registered
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 476
Default

Just to revisit this topic.

I have confirmed that the full Imco SCX outdrive is in fact 2" shorter than the Bravo and Imco SC outdrive.
The bravo/SC drives are 22 1/4" crankshaft to propshaft and the SCX is 19 7/8"
So an exact number is that the SCX is 2 3/8" shorter.

If you do decide to swap over to the full SCX I would personally start with out any spacer and still run your existing prop.
lavey jr is offline  
Reply With Quote
Reply



Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:09 PM.


Copyright 2011 OffShoreOnly. All rights reserved.