Are Nortech's vacuum bagged?
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Hey Miller,
If you want to squeeze every last bit of resin out, bagging is the way to go. However it can get too dry.
We hand roll every layer and once that layer dries we grind it smooth so that the next layer will be as free from voids a possible. Our methods take longer and yes it will be a little heavier at the end but we have NEVER had a structural failure or delamination. Kind of hard to argue with that. Our glass shop supervisor was in charge of building the NorSafe escape vessels used on offshore platforms and freighters. They have to freefall with a full crew 150' and survive.
Not to say we won't do anything different in the future but for now we like them strong.
Thanks
Terry
If you want to squeeze every last bit of resin out, bagging is the way to go. However it can get too dry.
We hand roll every layer and once that layer dries we grind it smooth so that the next layer will be as free from voids a possible. Our methods take longer and yes it will be a little heavier at the end but we have NEVER had a structural failure or delamination. Kind of hard to argue with that. Our glass shop supervisor was in charge of building the NorSafe escape vessels used on offshore platforms and freighters. They have to freefall with a full crew 150' and survive.
Not to say we won't do anything different in the future but for now we like them strong.
Thanks
Terry
It all boils down to if the Manufacturer is willing to pony-up and purchase the proper equipment and hire the properly trained personnel to build a superior product. Outerlimits did it...theres nothing stopping everyone else!
Oh yes...as for never having a structural failure or de-lamination....what about Ballastic??
Doesn't that one count??
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07-14-2011, 07:57 PM
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The only way to squeeze out too much resin is to pull too much vaccum. 19-21 inches of vaccum is all thats needed to get out the maximum "excess" resin and have a professionaly finished product. Hustler has been vaccum bagging since the 80's, and many other companies (Outerlimits, Well craft, Activator) have been doing it since the 90's. Don't confuse Heavy with Strong...Strong is keeping the proper resin to cloth ratio, which will produce the most efficient part for its weight.....heavy is just that...HEAVY. All the excess resin does not make a stronger part...just the opposite, it becomes heavy and brittle...ever drop a chunk of resin? it shatters like glass . The important part is that you need trained personnel and the proper equipment to make the product. The old "bucket and roller" way of building boats is still around, but builders who employ that way of manufacture have boats that are consistently 1500-2500 lbs overweight as a result. Sure they ride great in the rough...ever been on a cruise ship?? Same thing. The down side is that it takes a ton of power to get over the 100 mph mark and they burn a ton of fuel trying to do it. A well balanced and constructed boat will do it faster, more fuel efficient, and will ride just as good. Take an Outerlimits 42...rigged with staggered 1075 mercs, will weigh in around 1050 lbs, and run an easy 120-125...a 43 Nortech with similar rig will weigh 1250-1400 lbs and barely break 105. Which would you rather have??
It all boils down to if the Manufacturer is willing to pony-up and purchase the proper equipment and hire the properly trained personnel to build a superior product. Outerlimits did it...theres nothing stopping everyone else!
Oh yes...as for never having a structural failure or de-lamination....what about Ballastic??
Doesn't that one count??
It all boils down to if the Manufacturer is willing to pony-up and purchase the proper equipment and hire the properly trained personnel to build a superior product. Outerlimits did it...theres nothing stopping everyone else!
Oh yes...as for never having a structural failure or de-lamination....what about Ballastic??
Doesn't that one count??
07-14-2011, 08:46 PM
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The only way to squeeze out too much resin is to pull too much vaccum. 19-21 inches of vaccum is all thats needed to get out the maximum "excess" resin and have a professionaly finished product. Hustler has been vaccum bagging since the 80's, and many other companies (Outerlimits, Well craft, Activator) have been doing it since the 90's. Don't confuse Heavy with Strong...Strong is keeping the proper resin to cloth ratio, which will produce the most efficient part for its weight.....heavy is just that...HEAVY. All the excess resin does not make a stronger part...just the opposite, it becomes heavy and brittle...ever drop a chunk of resin? it shatters like glass . The important part is that you need trained personnel and the proper equipment to make the product. The old "bucket and roller" way of building boats is still around, but builders who employ that way of manufacture have boats that are consistently 1500-2500 lbs overweight as a result. Sure they ride great in the rough...ever been on a cruise ship?? Same thing. The down side is that it takes a ton of power to get over the 100 mph mark and they burn a ton of fuel trying to do it. A well balanced and constructed boat will do it faster, more fuel efficient, and will ride just as good. Take an Outerlimits 42...rigged with staggered 1075 mercs, will weigh in around 10,500 lbs, and run an easy 120-125...a 43 Nortech with similar rig will weigh 12,500-14,000 lbs and barely break 105. Which would you rather have??
It all boils down to if the Manufacturer is willing to pony-up and purchase the proper equipment and hire the properly trained personnel to build a superior product. Outerlimits did it...theres nothing stopping everyone else!
Oh yes...as for never having a structural failure or de-lamination....what about Ballastic??
Doesn't that one count??
It all boils down to if the Manufacturer is willing to pony-up and purchase the proper equipment and hire the properly trained personnel to build a superior product. Outerlimits did it...theres nothing stopping everyone else!
Oh yes...as for never having a structural failure or de-lamination....what about Ballastic??
Doesn't that one count??
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I don't have to own an Outerlimits or Nortec to be able to share what I know....and after spending 4 years at Hustler, 12 years at Outerlimits, and another 4 years at Nortech...I'd be willing to bet I know a fair amount more about these boats than you! And I didn't even have to buy one!! Go Figure! 
Oh, by the way....if you have a 2007 43 Nortech...I rigged it. I personally rigged all their 43's and 50's from 2005 to 2009. Enjoy!
Oh, by the way....if you have a 2007 43 Nortech...I rigged it. I personally rigged all their 43's and 50's from 2005 to 2009. Enjoy!
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I don't have to own an Outerlimits or Nortec to be able to share what I know....and after spending 4 years at Hustler, 12 years at Outerlimits, and another 4 years at Nortech...I'd be willing to bet I know a fair amount more about these boats than you! And I didn't even have to buy one!! Go Figure!
Oh, by the way....if you have a 2007 43 Nortech...I rigged it. I personally rigged all their 43's and 50's from 2005 to 2009. Enjoy!
Oh, by the way....if you have a 2007 43 Nortech...I rigged it. I personally rigged all their 43's and 50's from 2005 to 2009. Enjoy!
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I don't have to own an Outerlimits or Nortec to be able to share what I know....and after spending 4 years at Hustler, 12 years at Outerlimits, and another 4 years at Nortech...I'd be willing to bet I know a fair amount more about these boats than you! And I didn't even have to buy one!! Go Figure!
Oh, by the way....if you have a 2007 43 Nortech...I rigged it. I personally rigged all their 43's and 50's from 2005 to 2009. Enjoy!
Oh, by the way....if you have a 2007 43 Nortech...I rigged it. I personally rigged all their 43's and 50's from 2005 to 2009. Enjoy!
