Mhale00 & Raylar Kit
 

Hey Mhale00

You posted some weeks ago that Arron at Absolute Marine in Havasu was going to install a Raylar kit in your 02 Heat 496 Mag Ho....Just wondering if you have gotten it done or not and If you did could you post some GPS Speeds please as I am thinking of adding the Raylar myself next winter

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It's gotten kinda quiet on the HotBoat forum about this deal. Guess when they figured out their V hulls weren't gaining 17 mph it wasn't so exciting :rolleyes:

I'm still thinking if your looking for 6-8 mph out of your V hull it's a very good solid package for the $$$
Just don't get fooled by all the "prop"aganda :D

New pistons and a Whipple would get you 12-13 possibly. Bob will get you taken care of and then if I can sweet talk my wife.......never mind :(

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Boatingbent,
Still waiting for parts from raylar, but they should be in any day. and I am still excited about it. I added a gps speedo as I said I was, and the truth does hurt, ( 63 mph gps @ 5200 rpm, 24 prop. 2 people, half tanks and 1 cooler) but hey, I can live with it till I add the raylar kit and the next yr. move to a flame with twins. I will let you guys know the results of the raylar kit as soon as they are available.

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Kewl Thanks for the update............Do you feel the 24P is the best for performance on your Boat????

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Still waiting :( . Bent, I would suggest ordering now so you have it for the winter

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Raylar has been awfully quiet lately.... When I spoke to him about buying his kit a couple of months ago,, he said he had everyting on the shelf for delivery ??? HMMMMM

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Talked with him on Wednesday and he said they currently have 50 sets on the shelf?

(No that doesn't mean I ordered two :rolleyes: )

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Slacker LOL :p

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We have been so damn busy lately we have not even had time to brag about our accomplishmts. We do have plenty of kits now avaialable and we have filled all the back orders, even the six kits to our German dealer and one to Saudi Arabia. We have built a few motors over thelast three months. Our latest pair, we call the Purple Monstas" They will be installed next month in a new 30 foot Shockwave with an awesome graphics job. We just got motors of the dyno. These are 496 motors not 540's or 572's. We ran them on the stock Mercury 496HO ecms with our special ebox piggy back programmers. We think the results were pretty damn impressive! 650 rpm idle, 540 ft/lbs torque at 2500rpms. 640ft/lbs of torque at 4200 rpms that stays at 630 ft./lbs all the way to 5000rpms. At 5100 rpms just before the 5150 soft rev-limiter we made 607HP! and the horsepower was showing no sign of leveling off there. As soon as we get the rev-limiter to 5400 to 5600 rpms with Dustins help we are pretty sure we will see 625HP, maybe slightly more. These motors have our forged steel cranks, H-beam billet rods and our Mahle forged pistons. The cam is our incredible BP106 grind and the motor is sporting our standard Bigpower aluminum heads, the "CoolGap" intake with our billet throttle bodies , headers and our standard kit parts. These motors were ready for delivery in six weeks after order so we feel good about our lead times. The really good news is we can put these babies together out the door for about $18,600.00 plus shipping with headers and larger oil cooler. All you need is your 496HO ECM ,accessories, brackets, wiring harness,cooling system and sensors. This pricing includes a core credit on your good short block, pan and dampner. Add in the labor for the changeout and you have a Mercury "guardian protected" 600HP naturally asspirated reliable stormin bull EFI motor. This oughta get some people pondering the cost of 600HP "blue motors" I would like to post a couple of pictures but I can't seem to get them small enough in size to go as attachments. So much for our silence, Its hard to be humble! Just kidd'in!

Ray @ Raylar

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Hey Ray,
I emailed you thru your sight about the ECM-cam thing.
Dave

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Hi Ray......Give me a call at 631-724-8707

Thanks,
Paul

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50 sets on the shelf since late june, Wondering why it took til mid july to get mine and the heads had to come from Roush. .....Makes ya wonder...
More to follow
Hopefully results as well

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Keep us posted....................

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Here's the Deal,
Yes I had a Raylar kit installed. I Paid for the kit on April 15th. Ray had said the kits were a couple weeks out. No prob. 1 week to have the guys install. Plenty of time to have it for the summer.
Mid May, No kit yet. I was told, the heads had to go back to Roush because they didnt meet specs. but all the other parts were in, and The heads would ship direct to Absolute.
Mid June. Still no kit. At this point I was told the heads were in but some other parts the came from California were not in. (huh, thought the kits were in except for the heads)
Begining of July(10 weeks at this point).Absolute recieved 2 kits, Unfortunatly, I am third in line( but wait, I think I read that there were 50 kits on the shelf?)Ok lets wait at the front of the line now.
July 6. Still no kit, but They expect it any day and I have an appointment to take it in. I drop it off July 11th to start the install. Everything goes as planed. I have them install Dual ram imco steering as well.
July 22. Drive back to havasu to pick up the boat. They are finishing the install and have it ready as the sun sets, So I didn't get a chance to take it out and test it. We ran it at the shop and it fired right up. Sounds good! I head back home to vegas since I need to be at a poker run in the morning. I dropped it in the water, running a 28 prop on it. I was told I should be able to push it.
Nice out of the hole, 7-8 sec. to plane
There was a definatly mid range improvement
But what does everybody want.....Top Speed!
Before Raylar..64 +/- mph/gps@ 5200 rpm w/24 pitch
After Raylar....67 mph/gps @ 5100 rpm w/ 26 pitch
I ran it for 1 day with the 28 prop and had the same top speed but lower Rpms
After calling and Letting all concerned I was not happy with the results, I was told something was defintly not right and get it back in.
August was out. Way to much goinmg on and its a 2.5 hr. drive to get it back to Havasu.
Sept was out as we have to much going on as well. I just got back this morning, From dropping it off and hopefully It will get fixed.
I would just like to add.. Arron and Cherl @ absolute were very nice to deal with. I don't think any of these problems were any fault of theirs. They put up with my phone calls, Which at times were less than pleasant. Arron works his A$$ off to get people back on the water fast and I would reccommmend he and his crew any time.
I will be posting next week, after I get the boat back and run it. What ever the results are..good or bad...they will be posted.
Please feel free to IM me if there are questions anyone might have or post and I will get back to you.
Mhale00

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Thanks Mark....
Definitely keep us posted.
Sorry we didn't get to hook up at Mead due to the cancellation :(
That was a bum deal for a lot of people :mad:
Dave

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Yeah, I was looking forward to it. Were you down here last weekend. I pasted a guy in henderson, with Utah plates towing a 35 flame

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Thanks for your honest feedback. Good luck going forward.

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Thanks for the info. Keep us posted.

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For the little I've looked, the kit seems to be heads, Cams & exhaust. Is there something more? Is that what the $18600 price included? H beam rods make Zero power, Forged Cranks make Zero power. Both increase reliability. Don't 496HO's have a forged Crank & Pistons? They probably have a dimple style rod. From What I see, This kit should make 75 HP, not 200 as stated above. MHales numbers seem to be better in line for this combo.

For $12K you can build a 572 motor that will make 650HP with ease. Add 3K for CMI, Done.

I do not like at all the piggy back ECM issue. ECM's are monitoring all parameters of engines. To Fake out a ECM and tell it something else is happening is just wrong.

I'm Sorry, I do not see this as any good option. About the only thing I agree with is it is Blue valve covers, which do not make any power as well.

I'm generally not negitive, but I would not recomend this as a 600HP option.

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The kit I purchased was to take a 496 to a 525.I am assuming a 100 hp increase. The ad says 14 mph increase, which I question. of course not all boats will achieve this as there are many factors involved. but 4 mph is a far cry from 14. hell, I would have settled for 8-10. I don't want to get ahead of myself. As stated. I will post the results next week. I am going to pick the boat up Thur. and run it. I will be on lake mead Sat. if anyone wants to join me
Mhale00

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Mhale00

I assume you are the guy with the Nordic that I talked to a few weeks ago. First I have to interject that all hulls are different and some are not set up , x-height and such as well as they should be. Just adding a 100HP to any boat is no guaranty of 8-14 mph unless the drive heights, prop type and pitch and blade thickness are sometimes optomized to realize the horsepower addition. I understand that in talking to a few Nordic owners with your hull that adding a 1" drive spacer to your hull with the right prop has gotten them to be able to use the extra power and increase their speeds about 8-10mph with more power. Make sure you have a specific conversation with Aarron at Absolute about this item. The drive spacers are easy to add and apparently it corrects some x-height issues that have been plaging some Nordic hulls like you have. Raylar has had to many tests and confirmations of big power and speeds increases to know that our kits make 525HP. The problem sometimes like this is a hull that needs drive and prop tweaks to utilize the extra power of the motor.

After Aaron checks the boat and motor I will have him GPS test it on the lake and confirm his recorded speeds.

Some hulls, drives and props take a little more corrective action and tweaking , but a 100HP increase should net you more than 4 mph, I agree! I feel your hull running the right prop , drive ratio and x-height at normal weight should see about 1 mph for every 12HP which equates to 8mph and I think thats where you should be. Sorry our earlier production could not keep up with more timely shipping, we just got behind back in April. I also know Aaron got behind on the installs because he was buried with kit orders and other committments. We now have kits instock in good quantities and we ship all orders within two or three days after the dealer or buyer pays for the equipment. My apologies, no excuses we did our best, sorry for the inconvience and the trouble it caused you.

Best Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

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Linster

The kit MHale00 is talking about here is just heads cam and intake and is a bolt on package for the stock 496HO. No these blocks do not have forged cranks and the forged rods are substaintialy weaker than the old dimple BB rods and only have 10mm rod bolts which cannot take 600HP safely over long period use. This kit does make a 100HP increase and costs under $6K plus install not $18,600. Even our HO600 motors we build don't cost $18K and they do make 600HP. I have plenty of dyno sheets to confirm both motors. Raylar does not make claims it can't prove! You might want to verify the cost of a Merc HP525 and a 600SCI motor with a dealer and look at the real cost differences. We have new Raylar equipped boats hitting the water every week and the overwhelming majority of these see power and good speed and acceleration increases when properly dialed in that prove our results. Just talk to some other OSO'ers like Senecadds, Escape Velocity, and Shadow just to name a few. We will try and make sure MHale00's boat is checked out to find the hidden speed problem and I am sure he will be taken care of by Absolute. Motors can't cure hull and drive problems but we can certainly identify the limiting area and if the owner wants to correct these issues they cetainly can.

Regards,
Ray @ Raylar

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Question for Ray. What does the stock 496 HO really dyno at? Isn't the 425HP rating supposed to be prop shaft HP, whereas your 525HP rating is flywheel? I think we've pretty well documented that it takes 17HP per MPH increase in a 28 Nordic. I've seen my 28 Heat vary speed by as much as 5 MPH on the same day depending on water and weather conditions. A good chop makes a hugh difference. When I was running a 600+ HP 540 I saw speeds as low as 68 and high as 76, at the same elevation. So, I think it will take a lot of testing and tweaking before Mhale00 can really determine how much it helped.

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That is how I came up with $18600 & 200HP increase.

Hopefully, your kit can make a lot of 496 owners happy. I glad to see someone trying to fix GM's worst motor ever. Sounds like the interior components are weak.

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:confused:
For what it is, it's a damn good engine. It wasn't designed to take major hp increases, but for good stock performance and reliability it fits the bill. For the three years I had mine, it started every time and ran flawlessly. I know some people that didn't go out as much as I did because their "super duper" engines didn't run all the time.

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I Don't mean to insult anyone who has a 496.

I know of quite a few that have run perfect under stock conditions. I have one in my 2500 Suburban pulling the boat with 85000 miles with just oil changes.

I'm Sorry If I affended anyone by my comments about the 496.

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Hey Steve,
Don’t get your feathers so ruffled LOL!!! :evilb: :evilb:
Guys like Linnie and me just like the regular old big block stuff.
Most all of the stockers, new or old, black or blue run great until we want more out of them :eek:
That’s why I’m taking my time learning about these 496s. As you know, I have a pair that would like a little attention. It’s actually kind of fun to study something new for a change.
Just think, if you would have stepped up to the blue motor (525EFI) apparently you could have run around the Long Island Sound at 80 mph in your Heat rather than the 63-65 mph you got out there everyday with your HO. A 15-17 mph increase with a mere 100hp!! :rolleyes:
Things that make you go “Hmmmmmmm???”

Hope all is going well,
Coming out next week but not to Baltimore this time. Actually flying into Richmond, VA??? (never been there)
Quick trip anyway :(
Dave

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YUP he ran it last weekend Great South Bay (LI) Hot Toddy Run.....80....bone stock 525/ITS/XR. He is running next Monday if you want to fly out to see for yourself. Go to the Hot Toddy thread in GD some pics of the 28 and the 35 from the run. I will post a few here

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:drink:

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:d

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I'd love to take a ride out there but I don't think that would be possible :(

However, I bet INDY (speed police guy :D ) would love to go for a quick spin!!! What do you think Steve??? :evilb:

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Actually the weather here has been awesome for Fall...Monday looks good too 65-68 partly sunny

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Boat...what's that? :p It's been so long since I've owned one, I forgot there was even a thing called water LOL!!

Monday's been booked for a while, but 80 out of a 525 is pretty fast :confused: That's 13 mph faster than my Heat with just an additional 100 hp...hmmm, must be the special Orval edition :eek: :p

BTW...Linster, I'm not offended, I don't even own a stinking boat at this time :( :D it just seemed a bit harsh. But I can understand yours and Dave's frustrations when trying to increase the hp out of an engine that wasn't designed for it.

Anyway, this is an optimistic board with 80 out of a 525 and 1 mph increase out of 12 hp...the glass seems half full these days!! I can't wait to get my new boat and take advantage of all these super performance advances in the past couple of years, and to think I thought the boating industry was full of crooks, liars, and incompetent morons :eek: :D

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Bummer Dave...Richmond is a bit far, too bad because I have some time between careers starting this Friday :D

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Hey sorry to say it is what it is.......I know you think 80 is very optimistic but thats what he is getting on the GPS Speedo and the GARMIN 182C....unless they are both not working properly....As I said earlier.....come visit and go for a ride.

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LIOPA, I could just be out of touch with the Nordic product line...did they make any significant changes to their laminiation process, hull design, or anything else that might account for better performance since my 2000 Heat? I'm reasonably sure that if you would have dropped a 525 in my 28 it might have achieved 74 or so. The people I knew with the same year 28s with 500EFIs were getting about 72 out of their top ends. Magazine articles around the same period came up with similar results for the 496HO and 500EFI...67 and 72 respectively. Also, a friend of Dave's and mine had the boat that was popped from the mold just before mine and he had 575 power and got 78 if I'm not mistaken (correct me if I'm wrong Dave).

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LIOPA,
Just a quick question...
Have you actually been on that boat and seen those numbers yourself or is this customer feedback?

Thanks,
Dave

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That was Toby's (Steve Zuckerman's now and your original order ;o)
78 was a best ever for Toby and 74-76 was the norm with a labbed 30. Steve Z can confirm these numbers.

I would be curious about rpm/prop set up on the 525EFI. I can tell you that a stock 28 Bravo at 5672rpm in optimum water is 81.1. The 525EFI rev limiter is at 5350 in the ECU so it would take a stock 30 on the rev limiter to duplicate an 80+ number.

Anything is possible I suppose but I would need to see it for myself :frog:
Guess I'm stubborn that way :cool:
Good bench racing though :drink:

Later,
Dave

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HI...Yes of course I have been on the boat and have seen it myself as well as driven the boat. We went through this with the 35 with 525's 93.7 legit on GPS and everyone questioned that as well. Thought we juiced the motors but were bone stock. Thats why I invited any of you to come out and see for yourselves. I am not a BS'er and do not post jacked up stats on here.

Paul

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Dave:
You are correct. The boat ran a best of 76GPS with 30" labbed Bravo when I bought.
Regards,
Steve