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Wake Up!!!!

What's everyone up to?
Pretty quiet out there in Nordic land :rolleyes:
Linnie, have you gotten that beast dialed in yet?
Gary, have you sold many new ones?
Steve Z, everything holding together well?
Bent, still need more power?
Sick, SELLING????
Dean, how's the Florida waters and your boat getting along?
Indiana, how's the HP500 going?
BobL, I know :p
Mahle, Raylar report yet :cool:
New guys, enjoying your boats?

Me, well I've checked the oil twice :D :D
Life is good with stock power (for now :rolleyes: )

Dave

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I'm Getting ready for the loto shootout. Installing kplanes and stereo system for now. Is anybody else going to the shootout?

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Dave,

got you beat - I actually changed the oil. Sure is weird not having a whippled motor - I'm so used to watching boost and fuel pressure and egt's - my dash is sort of boring now, but I'll admit it is nice not to have to be tweaking something and having the 1st mate *****ing at me........for now :evilb: Still haven't figured out my cold water temps - I've changed the sender and thermostat and still registering only 130. I guess the only fix is to just pull the thermostat and add a Whipple :D

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Yeah Dave the plan is to get some more power this winter......
Still waiting for Mahle`s report on his Raylar install.............

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she is running great.. up to 42 hours and 2 oil changes later . just finish having my trailer painted , new bunks, added some UHMW plastic strips on top of my axles, bump the axles on steep ramps

winter project list so far

clear coat top deck blue stripe " wont hold a shine"
Replace vinyl on bench seat " starting to split"
install ac mermaid m5
install 3rd battery for engine other 2 for accessors

Thanks for asking :drink:

Take care
Bill

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Hi Guys:
We bought a new house this summer, always fun moving and in 100o heat :rolleyes: .......I swear it's part of a conspiracy by my wife to keep me off the water.
The boat is running great. We had a "dash for cash" from stop 4 to 5 where we lined up about 25 of the hotter boats at our MCPA poker run, and I was the first single engine boat in (3rd overall). I was beaten by a 42' Fountain with twin Whippled HP500s (est 750hp) and a Cobra cat with twin HP500s. The 5 blade and additional horsepower has made the HEAT really accelerate hard. Knock on wood :rolleyes: , just routine maintenance so far this year.
I'm installing a Garmin 172C this afternoon. Anybody else have one of these? What do you think about it?
Sick, if the wife hadn't just tagged me with a new crib, we'd be talking :( :mad: .........................
Only down note here, one of our fellow Heat owners ( Butch Fletcher/96 Heat/supercharged BBC/no computer/he's a little technophobic) just bounced his boat off a steel bouy last weekend. F'ed up in a faded stripe, won't be easy to fix.........N+D+S=AW2H (night + drunk + speed = accident waiting to happen :( ).
Have a great, fun rest of the summer everybody!
Regards :drink: ,
Steve

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I read above that someone was gonna do some painting....If your in need of Spray Equipment I own SATA SPRAY GUNS up here in Minnesota

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It's good to see some posts here. My 28 is running great (knock on wood). Steve what are you running for power in yours? Does anyone know who has the fastest Heat? A buddy of mine has around 800hp in his. I don't think he's gotten a good GPS run yet, but is estimating around 90.

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EW:
I'm running a modified HP575SCi, that I estimate is making around 750HP bobtail/725PSHP. I'm running 82 to 86 depending on weather and load. It's been smoking hot and humid here (Nashville). With 5 people on board, full summer load (coolers/jackets/canvas/etc.), 3/4 tanks full, it recently GPSed 82 (95o air/90o water temp). I came up with a formula that it takes roughly 17HP to increase the speed of a Heat 1 MPH, so with 50 more HP your friend should definitely be knocking on 90 in good conditions. 50HP -: 17 = 3, so 86 (my best/good conditions) + 3 = 89.
Regards,
Steve

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Havn't posted much because been too busy boating. We have done a few good long trips this summer but it is winding down, Two weekends ago, 14 boats went from the Potomac in Va to Baltimore & Red Eyes. About three nights on the boat and 300 Miles. Numerous cooler supplies. Maryland is really set up for boaters, Great places to stop all over place.

Not had a chance to open it up. Been too loaded with gear and fuel. The heat has been really bad the last few weeks. The humidity has been right there with it.

We have 2 radar runs coming up soon. Will stretch it out then.

Dave, thanks for getting this going again. I guess its ggod news everyone has been boating too much to post.

Gary, Where you been?

We are going to Key West for the last Offshore race in November, There are about 8 couples going. We are staying at the Wydham Reach resort. Anyone coming Please let us know so we can get together,

Lotti got the Frig out. He didn't need my saw though. He has a big winter of work planned.

Steve, Good numbers with the Heat. My buddy wants to get to 80 naturally. Any HP suggestions??

Have Fun.

GO Hokies!!!!!
GO Skins!!!!

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Steve, I'd say your formula for the Heat is dead on. Mine ran 61 with a 496 Mag, 74 with 600+ HP and 84 with 800 HP all under similar summer conditions. Using 17 HP per MPH would put me at 609 N/A(the engine actually dynoed at 608!!) and 796HP with the supercharger. I've put about 70 Hrs. on it since putting the supercharger on it in May. So far, not one mechanical issue. I do drive it pretty easy though. Usually have a boat load of people that don't care to go really fast. After Labor day I'm going to send my 29 P5X to Julie for labbing and raise the boost in search of 90. I'm thinking you need close to 900HP to get a solid 90 in this boat. I'm currently running 5 PSI. My other pulley bumps it up to 6.5 PSI. The best I've seen is 87 on an 85 degree day. I'll go run it this winter and see if I can get 90 at least once, so I can say I did! LOL

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Linster,
Sounds like you're having a big time this summer. I'm jealous. Too many distractions. To get to 80 in a Heat regularly (including heavy summer loads and hot weather), it's going to take approximately 700HP, regardless of how it's made. I think a 540 with good heads, induction, and hydraulic roller should be close. Actually, I like (bang for the buck) the Chevy crate 572/620. It just needs to be marinized, and can be had for under 12K.
It has been run in a 28' Eliminator, and seems to work very well in a marine application. 2 of them in the 28' Daytona runs mid 120s.
Regards,
Steve

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Bob,
I think that makes you the fastest open bow Heat doesn't it?
I think we do have a good database on these boats. Now let me see...........100 - 85 = 15MPH x 17HP = 255HP. I always thought it would take 1000HP (750 + 255) to get to 100MPH.
Would take a drive upgrade......................damn this is going to get expensive :eek: :rolleyes: ......................
Regards,
Steve

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Been a real busy summer very happy with my flame, we have been on 7 overnight weekend trips and out every weekend. On the Maryland trip with linnie ran into some pretty big water in the bay real happy with the way the boat handled the big stuff. Gas bills really starting to pile up may have to slow down with the price of fuel getting so high. Looking forward to upgrading the power over the winter not sure what it will be, and also adding a permanent ac unit portable sucks, linnies works great maybe I can get him to put one in for me :D mike

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I am very happy with my heat. The cabin continues to impress everyone who see's it, I have the rap around couch, which I perfer. i always seem to get compliments on the boat. I boat really handles Lake Mich well, I am able to run in the 50's in 3 footers fairly easily. My boat does not have tabs, it does not seem to need them, don't get me wrong I wouldn't mind them but I think the hull is designed not to need them. I am still working out a few bugs, but you will always have them. Now all is left is more hp and stearing!!!!! :evilb: :evilb:

Have a great summer fellow Nordic boaters!!

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Glad everyone is having a great summer and hasn't disappeared :D :D

Speeds and Heats…
I’m kinda familiar with a few :drink:
All GPS speeds…
454 Mag MPI in non stepped 97 (RVs old one) 62 mph.
496Mag is 61-63 in BobLs before the transplant.
496HO is around 66-67 (Indy’s on saltwater) (couple around here at 5000 feet see 60)
My old boat with HP500EFI currently runs right at 69-70 at Mead (1100feet)
My old boat with 540EFI naturally aspirated setup for high altitude performance (in other words pretty mild) ran 72-74 at Mead with ~550hp.
Steve Z’s before he owned it was 75-76 with stock under rated 575SCi
BobL 540EFI naturally aspirated 609hp ran 75-76.
Hot Boat/Powerboat: 2003 28 heat with HP500 and M3 ProCharger ran 79.7
Gent at Lake Havasu with Larry Peto 580 (675hp/700lbs) ran 80 @ Havasu in the Spring
My old 540EFI (in the mild) setup with M3 supercharger ran 83-85 all day
Steve Z I think is around 83-85?? with ~725hp.
BobL open bow blown 540 is 85-87 with a lot of hp.
My old 548 built substantially more aggressive with the SC and showing ~900hp of fuel usage (ECM read out) at 5700 rpm ran 88-91 in our old Heat.
Same motor now resides in my friends Heat ran 95.5 and was still climbing at 6000 rpm with a 30; hasn’t tried the 32 pitch yet.
1150 Paul Phaff and a couple blown Bmaxs turns out 103-105.

It all kind of makes sense I suppose.
I think a nice 572 with AFR heads and 9.5:1 might get you there Linnie. I think you’ll want near 700hp to get you 80+ on a consistent basis.

Hope this helps,
Dave

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Thanks Dave,

Not sure where Ricky is heading with what I am going to build for him. We are talking a lot of ideas.

Now looking at a 565 using the old block. 4.600 Bore, 4.25 Stroke, 6.353 Rods. 240/248 Hyd roller, Oval Merlin Heads that are ported very nicely, Dart Intake, CMI exhaust and Holley 1050 Marine Carb. We are going to put the compression at 10:1 knowing we are going to bleed off some with the cam.

Also may look at a 4.560 Bore, 4.375 Crank as well. (571) I know that if you go with 4.5 Stroke, you must get an aftermarket oil pan. That adds $500 with no power increase.

We may just start from Scratch, since we are not using anything but the block, Pan, & timing cover.

Time will tell.

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Linster,

Busy, busy, busy. Re-locating our Marina to a new building should be ready for our Poker Run weekend after Labor Day. Building is awesome with large show room. This should be a great winter meeting place for all you Nordic lovers.

The 35 with 550 Vipers GPSed at 103, might even have more. This appears to be a great package. We should have a new 28 with the 550 Viper finished next week . Looking for low 80's, will keep you posted.

We are once again sponsoring the Lake Cumberland Poker Run. Lonnie Fluent is coming in and riding on my 35. For those who would like to attend visit the official website at www.midamericanboating.com Everyone is invited.

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Dave,
The Fl. Waters are great! I haven't boated in about 3 weeks, too busy with my job, kids, and trying to start another business. Hopefully this weekend, my oldest girl wants to go tubing with her friends! :D
Hope all is well in SLC.
Dean

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Gary,
I forwarded those pictures to you last night. Dont look bad.

I was hearing from the guy looking at this boat that the flame is going to have a new cabin in 06. Do you know anything about this? If so , Can we find out what will change?

Thanks

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Heard the same thing.........I'll do some digging

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Talked to my friend last night. They finally got the bugs worked out of motor in his Heat. He said it Dynoed around 790 hp. GPS run two days ago 91.6 @ 6000 rpms.

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Very nice...What's the setup?
Dave

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That is really good. Can you share with us some details on the boat setup? Running conditions? etc. I thought I had around 800 HP, but I'm only getting mid 80's. Could just be where the boat is run. I'm at 700' elevation, 100+ temps, 90+ water temp, high humidity and smooth water. What were his conditions? Is his a closed bow? Prop and RPM?? It's great to be able to compare setups.

Bob

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EW,
Those are great numbers, indicating a very efficent setup. Tell your buddy to give us his specs (prop type and pitch, gear ratio, gearcase style, conditions/temp/altitude/load, etc).
We are happy to give him our information, but it sounds like he doesn't need it :D .........
Regards,
Steve

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I HAVE A 1992 28 WITH 775 HP WITH NITROS. 89 MPH.

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He started with a 502 Mag, needless to say it doesn't resemble that anymore. I appologize for being vauge. The setup changed multiple times and I lost track of exactly what he ended up with. I'll get more exact info later, but here is what I know.

Procharger 7 lbs. Boost
CompCam .637/.637 (I think, I don't know the model no)
Bigger Fuel Injectors (I don't know what size though)
Replaced the stock ECU with "Big Stuff" ECU
Lightning Headers
IMCO Extreme outdrive 1.50
Bravo 1 28"P (STOCK)

He got those numbers two days ago running on Gunn Lake, MI (near Grand Rapids) It's been in the mid to upper 70's, but the air is quite cool. (Good conditions from that standpoint) The water was pretty much flat.

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I seem to have more prop slip than others. Maybe because I have an open bow or even the ITS box may be affecting it. I'm spinning a stock 30" Bravo at 5600 & 85 MPH. The RPM is measured with a laptop from the ECU, so it's accurate and the speed is GPS. I spin the 29 P5X about 200 RPM less at about 1 MPH less. So, doing a little deductive reasoning I would have to spin a 28 Bravo to about 6300 to get 90.

Hey NordicFlame...what were your numbers with the Heat at 90? I don't remember what prop & rpm you were running.

Just thought of one possible explanation. I am always running on glass water. The fact I'm getting the RPM would indicate the HP is there, but I'm experiencing a lot of hull drag causing the slip to increase. Hmmmm. Maybe I need some prop work to get a little more lift. I need to call Julie...LOL

Bob

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Bob,
If my memory serves me correctly, I had a 29 P5-X spinning 5600. This was on wind blown chop at Lake Mead.
We tried a stock 32 on Jasons boat (Heat) yesterday at the local lake which is at 4950 feet and he was only able to spin it 5300 and got 87.9. That's a ton of slip and he's down a bit on hp at that rpm.
I am very anxious to have him run that prop at Mead and see how it does at 5700+ rpm. I think when he does that the hull may air out quite a bit more and get him well into the upper 90's. Then again, his runs with the stock 30 may still produce the best speeds at 95.5 and climbing at near 6000 rpm. He's making some pretty big hp at that rpm.
Dave

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NO CHANGES FOR 2006 on the FLAME.....thats official from the factory

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Thanks for the info.

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No Problem :D

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I just got my Oct issue of Hot Boat Magazine...They tested 6 Family Bowriders the 28 Nordic Heat was one of them.....This Heat was tested with the V-10 Viper Powerplant....It says in the write up that they were hopeing to get 80MPH + but under the conditions that day they only got 76.6 MPH at 5500RPM`s

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Did not get the issue.....which ILMOR V-10 was used 550 or 625 ?

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The 625HP

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WOW that makes zero sense. We delivered a 28 with a HP 525 / ITS / XR. The client got 77. With the the stock prop. Still dialing in the prop after one change 79 we expect to see 80-81 when we are finished. The 625 has more torque, more HP and weighs 400 lbs less than the 525. That boat shoul hit 85+ no problem.

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Gotta love those speedos :D

The numbers in Hot Boat are not that far off...The 625 should run a solid upper 78-79 on GPS when they get the gearing correct :rolleyes:

BobLs 610 dyno hp with ITS/XR ran 75-77 GPS pre Whipple. Steve Zs ran 74-76 with stock 575SCi. Several 500EFIs run 69-73 all on GPS so in my eyes it sounds just about perfect actually.
Don't have clue why they would have put the high gears in that setup?? especially with a mid power motor that likes high rpms. Someone was missed the boat :p with that selection.


On a funner note, my buddy with my old motor in his Heat ran into the Heat with the Teague 800 at Lake Powell. Guy said he was running low 90s at Lake Powell. Well, he got a real good look at my buddies transom as he left him "easily" with a boat load at 88 GPS at 3600 feet elevation and 100 degrees :evilb:
Even better is that was with his 5 blade Powell cruise prop :D :D

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We just received a 28 Heat with the 550 HP Viper. Tested this past weekend at the Lake Cumberland Poker Run saw 78 on the speedo @ 5000 RPM's. The Viper calls for 5800 RPM's which means the 550 Viper should push the 28 faster than the Hot Boat test. Acceleration is unbelievable! Will update after prop change.

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Now thats more like it!