Lets make it another summer jam.

well then -- that was interesting

Lots of good information I guess

M2 has this whole thing figured out and he's in NC! How's that old saying go....you can fool some of the people......

M2 doesn't have it as figured out as he thinks. With the fees at the Battleship Run every person who pays gets dinner included. At the Pirates Run dinner is an additional $15 per person and, at his rates for 2 people, that equals an additional $30 for a total of $155, just $5 less. Of course dinner can be skipped at the Pirate Run and M2 would be monetarily correct.
What he also doesn't understand about membership requirements, that ROPA chooses to use, is the protection it provides it's members under New York State law. In its simplest, the law does not allow club members to sue each other. If I trip over M2's poorly placed dock lines or boat gear at the Battleship run, as he'd be a member, he'd be protected from my litigation. If M2 trips over, say Carney's dock lines or gear at, The Alex Bay Run, Pirate Run, etc., then he can sue Carney for negligence or acts of comission or omission. In this day and age of "spilled coffee" lawsuits, ROPA chose that philosophy, that each participant driver be a member,to protect it's members and the club.
It is really just a matter of 2 organizations with a different philosophy and approach to how they put on an event. As far as I'm concerned there is nothing wrong with either philosophy, or the many other organizations philosophies, just different. We've been a part of the WNYOPA Poker Run since its beginning and, while similar, there are differences to give some variety. If all run's were the same people would probably pick one and it would spread them out so thin that none would prosper or survive. I feel the variety is good as people can look forward to more than one type of experience per season.
I felt good at the formation of SPBA as there are many good people down in the Seneca Lake area and a wonderful resource- the lake and it's communities- and it is good to get another event there. It is a shame that some of these people cannot see the benefts of the differences and variety but have to make these events a contest and, as in politics, resort to immaturity, innuendo, mudslinging and divisiveness instead of trying to get as many boaters as possible to share both (and all) these different but excellent functions.
To Need the Speed, although your approach and style is different than mine was, I applaud the way you work to promote your run and that you don't object to equal promotional time. Keep up the good work!

" resort to immaturity, innuendo, mudslinging and divisiveness instead of trying to get as many boaters as possible to share both (and all) these different but excellent functions."
Boy you hit that on the head! Last year I posted an invite for the Pirates Run on the ROPA forum, thinking that their may be a few interested members, instead, I believe it was TGRAY104 that responded on the SPBA forum: "For a good time on the water" "Link to ROPA website"
I know I was impressed.
I guess the mud slinging comes from ROPA's years of treating people like $hit! Once in a while your going to deal with the ramifications.
I have heard countless examples of ROPA giving passionate boaters the cold shoulder. People who worked hard to set-up the Battleship Run. People who just want to see whats going on. People that don't have a 200K dollar boat, People that work very hard for the boat they have.
The SPBA strives, and I mean strives, to treat all boaters equally. Little or HUGE, your the same. We don't charge an arm and a leg for the docks rather, we use the first come first serve principal. You didn't sign up for a dock in time, kicking and screaming ($$$) isn't going to do it.
The SPBA is a group of people that love to boat and have a good time, regardless of income, boat, age, sex, race, etc. etc. If you need to be pampered do it some where else.
As far as the Pirates Run goes, our goal is to make it the most entertaining run on Seneca Lake and perhaps eventually the Northeast. We want the participants, the spectators, the media, etc. etc. not to say "boy was that fun" rather, "that was the best flucking poker run I've ever attended...period". We try to involve as many businesses and as many spectators as possible! We put on a show that businesses on the water can use to their advantage. All of the proceeds of our run our donated to charity. Not only are we having a good time, we are setting an example. Trying to eliminate the stereotype "good for nothing noisy speed boats" . The regular boaters on Seneca pay the price for the stereotype...believe me. By increasing the dimension of our Poker run we don't just run up and down the lake making noise. We get spectators involved letting them enjoy what we have to offer; Live music, Charity powertool Auction, Fireworks, Radar Run, etc. etc. Now we are including the very same people that were *****ing about the noise the day before. When their included the *****ing stops. To say that ROPA and SPBA do things entirely different is absolutely correct. ROPA organizes an event for the good of ROPA (i.e. everybody has to be a member). The SPBA organizes an event for the good of everybody the SPBA can get involved including the Local DEC, State Troopers, Locol marine patrols, etc. etc. . If more groups don't try and make an effort and actually attempt to take the correct steps at hosting events like the Pirates Run the sport of performance boating will eventually be crushed by noise complaints and B.S. violations. just my .02

good one prez i think you my have hit the nail on the head !!!!!!!!!!! aaargh .

well i think WHIPLASS has no more to say i was going to ropass run but know i think i will pirate run there run like i have done for years.it is a better time any ways drink and have fun with them.i think our club shoud have our own meet that day and be the pirates that we are.i still think we need to get along but aaargh wy does the x prez need to be this way is he threatened by use or what! just bacuse we promote are run??????????????????????????????????????????????? ?.if it is not a cat it is last.

i am a bad speller owe well by by for know.

fastercat, we don't care if you can spell or not , you can still say what you mean. Besides instead of lrning how 2 spel u mst hv ben working 2 mke mney so u kud by that cat right.

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