Originally Posted by 30ctsutphen

Show me ONE example of a personal attack!

NOT ONE!

Let me explain to you what a personal attack is: It is when some one attacks you persoanlly or your possesions personally. For me to say something about cigarette boats or owners is a generalization.

Now saying Richie sounds like Democrat is a PERSONAL ATTACK.

You wont find me saying anything about Don arnow, you or your boat, its paint scheme, its engines etc in any thread anywhere anytime.

As for Cig owners being COCKY Most of your Cig brothers wear that as a badge of honor. They are happy if you tell them they have a big head or are cocky and openly admit it. At least the ones I know. So that wasnt so much a dig as a truth.

Lets look at the score though: You and KREED both talked crap about my windshield, my engines, The builder of my boat personally. So who is throwing stones and needs to look at thier posts again??

If you look at any of my previous posts on this topic anywhere they are all in good taste and are all in good fun. All are attached to other posts that explain I am joking around with someone. Or ribbing someone but that I like cigarettes in general.


What my order of boats is should mean nothing to you.

When I was looking into new boats after my last sutphen I honestly looked at allot of boats, cigarette models were at the top of the list to look at and both you and KREED know that.

After looking at many many MFG's I chose to go back to SUTPHEN. After having 3 of them I knew them well and I like the fit and finish better than anything looked at. I really liked apache's too but the cost to quality ratio was not so good. THey comand to high of a premium for me.

I could have bought a beautiful top gun out of florida for $33,000 that was owned by a building contractor I knew that was going belly up but there wasnt enough room in the cockpit and It had BBC merlin motors in it that were jam packed into the hull. Many guys would have loved that boat but for me it was just not practical.


I wanted my,rough water hull, lots of seating, bimini top, OB and plenty of room. I got it in a SUTPHEN.

It doesnt bother me that you attacked those thing s to be honest I am pretty thick skinned. This all turned out exactly as I told Sick stinger it would though.LOL

Theres really no hrad feelings at all on my part. I'll drink a beer with both of you guys anytime. I'll even do it out on your CIG!

Originally Posted by 4195

Okay this can go for ever so first I don't dislike your boat I actually think it is pretty cool but I know the windshield thing came up on another thread so I thought I would throw it at you. And no I am not into outboards but who cares what I like. But when you come out with jet ski comments and 65mph this and that and all Cig owners are like this and that you gotta take some s#%t...right, you know having thick skin and all. I will say it again I don't think my boat is the best or even close but I was just defending my boat over it is not as good as Sutphen in rough water, it does not have as good of construction and rigging as a sutphen talk. Oh yeah and know I guess it is not as good as a PP either. Actually you guys have convinced me to get rid of my boat and buy a Sutphen or a Power Play only question is which one is better???



I think we do this 30 Sutphen, 302Sport and Tsunami bring your boats to the Pavilion run on Saturday, Kreed and I will be there with our ****ty flat bottom poorly rigged boats and let's see how we all do by day end. Then we can all come here and talk it up, What do you say. 30 Sutphen one more thing I am sorry for the personal attack if you where offended!

Originally Posted by kreed

30ctsutphen......This all started for me a few months back with your following comments: " Cigs are like A$$holz, everyone's got one" comment. Reading back the post, that came out of no where. No one had said anything negative at this point. Maybe it was a joke, but you didnt even know us yet. Then, " you Cig guys get a swelled head." Again, didnt even know us or get to know us before judging us or or boats. You automatically put us in your "arrogant Cig owner group." "We used to laugh at older Cigs cause they were so slow(something close to that) while beating them on our jetskis ." Again, knowing we had "older Cigs", did you think this stuff was not some sort of attack?? You had just met us. Ball breakin like that only comes from friends who really know each other. So right away I knew you had an opinion about Cigs and their owners... But you picked the wrong two guys to have this opinion about. We are really just 2 guys who grew up together and always liked fast cars/bikes/boats ! Two guys who like to drink in the sun, beat the $hit out of our boats and laugh at all the stupid $hit we did the day before on the water.(and try to remember it all) Thats it. Its too bad you thought we were arrogant Cig owners before knowing us. So I felt personally attacked months ago, but I let it all go....To me, you seem to be a passive/agressive guy. You can throw all those stones, but we have gone over board because we tell you we dont like your windshield???? Please. And we bought these old Cigs for other peoples opinions? Come on. Oh, and Jealous? Of what? Listen, we get along with everyone, we love all boats. We do this sport because of beer and bikinis !!! But you need to get over your notion that all Cig owners are arrogant a$$holes, because its not true.. Maybe if you hang with us or take a ride in the Cafe, you change your mind about us and our boats.

Originally Posted by 302Sport

A 33PP in the rough over any 35ft Cig. Its a fact.

Originally Posted by 30ctsutphen

None of that was directed at you guys. It was just banter. I cant remember how it got started back then but it was based on a comment from someone else. It had nothing to do with you guys really. Honestly I didnt think your Cigs were that old.

I never said Cig owners were arrogant a$$holes Just arrogant.LOL and MOST I know wear that as a badge of HONOR. They like to walk around and act like they are a cut above.
Maybe you guys are different but Come on you dont see it?
Cig guys in general dont tend to be just a little more flashy, A little more aggresive at trying to be in the limelight etc?

Expensive wraps and paint schemes Now compare that to sutphen guys , most have thier stock paint schemes still, And are a little happier to be back in the shadows until race day.

We like to be the underdogs!


I actually said Bellybuttons and A$$holes and it is taken out of context here I believe I may have been backing up Team Tsunami on that one.

Either way it was a JOKING Generalization. No need to get all bent and start personal attacks. Which to be honest I am just pointing them out, they didnt really bother me. It also came 2 days after I PM'd you guys and told you I was looking at Cigs as a possible backup if I couldnt find a sutphen I liked. So that should have told you right there I was Joking around with you guys.

Do you remember that PM about the CIGS?

I havent ever seen a CIG with outboards that I can think of and you guys know I am a Diehard OB guy.


Nextly dont EVER take one of my posts seriously especially when I am throwing stones back in a discussion. I like all boats and Get along with everyone!

I have lots of freinds who have owned or do Own Cigarettes. They constatnt are talking smack about SUTPHENS and other makes like they are inferior.

So I have allot of practice at breaking down the Cig line just trying to compete with thier crap. They are such die hard brainwashed "Its cig or nothing" that It drives me NUTS.

Anyway no hard feeling here at all boys, never was I was just havin fun.