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Old 08-16-2005 | 11:47 AM
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Maybe, someday, we can hold a joint KILO event in the USA for every organization under the sun and there would thus be one world record holder in each of the recognized classes. The challenge would be adoption of technical rules that would embrace the "whole" event.
There are some pretty bright folks within OSS, OPA, POPBRA, APBA/SBI etc which leaves open the possibility of possibilities Steve
Amen brother.......

In boat racing, the holy grail has always been a UIM World Record...and a UIM World Championship. The APBA has been the UIM recognised sanctioning body in the U.S. for decades. This is not only true for Offshore, but inboard, OPC, stock outboard, pro, etc.....etc. are also recognised through APBA. I am not sure where that leaves Unlimited Hydros , who have "gone off on their own"..... but the bottom line is that if ya want's a Woild Wecord..... ya need's a UIM/APBA sanction.
That having been said....... any recognised sanctioning body can "certify" a record.... My son Darren has a physically challenged throttleman record at 121+ mph sanctioned by NJPPC..... but a "true" World Record must have UIM's seal of approval to prove that it was set on a properly measured and timed course...witnessed by trained officials..... and eligible to eclipse any and all previous marks set anywhere in the world...... This is sometimes a lengthy and confusing process .... but I have never known it to be corrupted, at least to any significant degree. ( Although Lake Windemere in England does seem to flow down stream in both directions at times..... )

Bottom line.... It may not be perfect , but the UIM process is the best in the world at present.... and has significant history and tradition behind it.

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P.S........ If you're wondering about my "agenda" here...... it sure ain't to "endorse" any particular sanctioning group..... but rather to bring them all together under one UIM/APBA Detroit umbrella..... and cut out the rest of the crap.

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Old 08-16-2005 | 01:53 PM
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Great answers.

So when a boat runs a kilo for it's class, say SVL, does it need to follow all the SVL rules such as minimum weight and everything else or can they run it lite, just because it's an SVL boat?
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Old 08-16-2005 | 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron P
Great answers.

So when a boat runs a kilo for it's class, say SVL, does it need to follow all the SVL rules such as minimum weight and everything else or can they run it lite, just because it's an SVL boat?
If the boat doesn't meet minimum weight then the boat isn't a legal SVL.


What would be the point of having rules?

My question last year was what class did Rio Roses fall under to become the fastest Vee-Bottom Record?
Or was that something completely unrelated to racing and just a record of top speed for a Vee?
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Old 08-16-2005 | 02:11 PM
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To establish or break a record, the boat must meet ALL technical rules for the class. ALL meaning ALL AND EVERY. The rules further prohibit gaining assistance from shore, such as changing props before the return run and being towed in order to reverse the travel of the boat. The fastest average speed between a contiguous "downriver" and upriver" run constitutes the new speed. This last rule helps to avoid a downriver, with the tide type of run that might not be possible to duplicate at another event.

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Old 08-16-2005 | 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Ron P
Great answers.

So when a boat runs a kilo for it's class, say SVL, does it need to follow all the SVL rules such as minimum weight and everything else or can they run it lite, just because it's an SVL boat?
My understanding is that to set a UIM class record... EVERY RULE must be followed including minimum weight, number of drivers, prop thickness, engine specs, drive specs, safety equipment.....etc, etc.

In the past many classes have/had no weight restrictions or specific detailed rules.... (The old "Open" and "Superboat" Classes)..... but, today.... at least in OSS...the rules are pretty strict and clear and cover everything up to RPM limiters and so forth. There was also a "spirit and intent" rule which eliminated the use of significant techniques that were not specifically prohibited but created an obvious departure from the class profile....... I.e. helium filled blow up dolls as co-drivers.... or a 25 foot detachable kite wing on top of the boat.

Or one of a kind forged propellers....in SVL........ etc etc.

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Old 08-16-2005 | 02:17 PM
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Or was that something completely unrelated to racing and just a record of top speed for a Vee?
What kind of an egocentric publicity hound would do something like that?

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Old 08-16-2005 | 02:40 PM
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The fastest average speed between a contiguous "downriver" and upriver" run constitutes the new speed. This last rule helps to avoid a downriver, with the tide type of run that might not be possible to duplicate at another event.

hope this helps,

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Which brings me back to crossing the international dateline during a kilo run...... whereby a single boat can set two records on different days........ at the same time.

Now if the boat is driven by a father and a son...who are married to a mother(son) and a daughter(father).... in opposite rotation...

The Steve David "Rule of Twos"...... does apply.

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Old 08-16-2005 | 02:50 PM
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Which brings me back to crossing the international dateline during a kilo run...... whereby a single boat can set two records on different days........ at the same time.

Now if the boat is driven by a father and a son...who are married to a mother(son) and a daughter(father).... in opposite rotation...

The Steve David "Rule of Twos"...... does apply.

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If this seems silly to you.........

It is actually simpler than explaining today's offshore rules, sanctioning bodies, classes.....and records.

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