Let Vicious build em for 15 grand. I was going to put all profits back into the series. I was also going to start calling engine mfg's etc . I'll let Sparky and Trick Rick handle all that now and if they pull it off I'll buy a boat from Vicious for 15 grand.

Than build them, make a spec and have any manufactures that wants to build and race a boat build one. Sell your for more and offer a cash contingency to teams running your boats.

I don't see any 24' on you site, any pics of the 28, the Corsa and the Joker are 26'

I have molds to build, 17' Cat,18' Mod-vp,31' Cat, 24'vee, 27'vee, 30'vee and 32'vee and as soon as time permits a 26'cat and also we have drawings for 36'/39' cat but right now I'm working on moving the manufacturing and tooling to South Carolina and leaving the repair part of the business in michigan.

Most people think I'm on here trying to make money on boats but that is not true. I give break even prices so I can get my 38finished and keep my talented partner happy and fed. I can't get rid of this spec racing idea in my head because I've lived and breathed it for so long. I have a new 26 that is 90% complete that I would sell to develop a SOB Class. The more I think about it I'm too old to race a 24 ft boat. 26ft long and 7ft wide would be ideal. Ask Tyler what kind of work we do!

I honestly don't know how anyone can build a 24' boat for that with todays material prices. Dave

Sparkys words, not mine. He has been building boats for more years than I have known him so I would guess hes right.



I would be willing to put what little money I have into this. I was going to buy a Hauler of some type for next years race season to pull the cat but I'll put that money into a 24/25 or 26 SOB to race and try and get this class started if it's showing promise.

I just dont think a single 225hp would push a 26ft boat all that well. Sure we could up the motor size but that would up the price. The challange would be to get a race ready (65mph approx) boat for 40k or under.

I wonder if a 225hp would even push a 24ft boat. Those small little euro boats are light, narrow and pretty fast.. nice design but they look freaky to run.

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Kinda the same concept of the batboat one-design class. What did a Bat boat cost back in 2002.

If someone had the molds to the Euro boat or something close could they be built for the proposed 15-20k? I just think the design should be more modern to distinguish the class

I had one old mag that did a "test" on one.. Base price was
83K I think and price as tested was 102 or 112k.. I think, not 100% sure but the numbers were up in that range.

100K to me is well above entry level.


If the proposed $40,000 est spec boat is possible. What a class it could become.

I would guess like Joker said: Single out Board - S.O.B. ~But we cannot even agree on how much the other person can build a boat for; so dont hold your breath on much happening.

Rick

Does anyone have any connections in the outboard arena? If anyone has any #'s or names I would be willing to propose some ideas to them. If someone else is already working on this please let me know.
Randy

Already working on the boyz in black....

It looks like the Guys (and gals) over in Europe need a lid on their boats!!!!! The sure do get pitched quite a bit..... Maybe that is why they are all wearing dry suits as race uniforms.

Looks like fun with a little better handleing design (someone mentioned a 7ft beam instead of 6ft)

I am supposed to recieve a fax tomorrow on Honda pricing and warrantee.

The Goal - (all approximant spec's)

Size: 25ft
Engine: 225hp Single OB
Weight: Light enough to hit the speeds (????lbs)
Top Speed: 60 plus
Price: $Under 40K Race ready


Can it be done ??:eek:

You can have them built in China for 5000.00 :D

I deal with China on a daily basics, unfortunately allot is manufactured over there and you may be shocked on who makes "fishing hulls" over there.

But 5K.. don’t thinks so..


~ I would say less.

why china
http://www.ca-bc.com/zip_internacion...shore_mfg.html

smitty please share what they say. what model is that for? 225hp 4 stroke correct?

I have a 25ft hull (24' 8" to be exact, check out my avater) with a 1983 200hp Merc. It was clocked at 53.3 mph with Driver, Nav, and two fully loaded divers in it. That was with a 21 3 blade cleaver on her. I'll bet if you play some, you can get 60mph easy.

I'm not familiar with that model boat, I did a quick google search and still nothing.. Is it a small 25ft boat? or a larger deep-v style like the Corsa, Pantera, sunsation.. etc.... ?

Your avatar is a little small to get a good view

Thanks Smitty I will stay out of it.
MD

get a hold of steve curtis..he put the honda deal together in europe

I agree, If its to be an outboard class, local honda guy said 18.5k to 19.5k for a 225 retail.

I dont think a 225 is going to push any of the hulls mention to 65/70 mph, Look at the Honda Spec Hull it is completely designed for an outboard, look how the sides protect the engine from getting ripped off. These engines would never stay on with a bracket, Im not an Outboard Guy but why reinvent the wheel. I would think we need to start with an engine package that wants to work with us, supply onsite tech, stern drive or outboard, then work from there. The Jokers and others would be great boats for an low HP Stern Drive but I have my doughts for a single outboard.

Eddie

You won't find it on google. It was called a Hydrotechnologies. HIN starts with HTQ. I own boat #001 (prob only one built).
HTQ is now owned by a company in Florida. Th guy that built it moved in 95 to Grand Rapids and from there I know not where.

It is 24' 8" long + bracket and engine, and 5'10" at the beam.
It has a small (1ft sq) pad right at the transom. Otherwise, it is deep-v.

You can see a better pick on my website. www.offshorerescue.com

Or here. :D

ps. It's for sale :cool-smiley-011: :D :eek: :drink:

Funny! When I saw that video a few months ago, the first thing I thought was "Damn I wish they ran those over here!"

Quick question... Why reinvent the wheel? Isn't someone already making/selling the packages over in europe for the UIM teams? Why not just latch on to that deal?

Update...........still working on it. I should have some info by monday. Leaving tomorrow for Michigan. new race site. Wait till you see this one. Did someone say Michigan trifecta?

Does he have the molds to the outboard version? The b-23?

If your going to be in the ST.Clair / Algonac area drop me a e-mail. I'll try and get the Michigan racers out for a drink :D or maybe you can stop over for out X-Mass party

Has anyone asked Curtis about his hull? What would he sell one for? Would he mind if someone in the US would splash it so we could build a class over here? Maybe Brian could call him and get the info and share it with us.
MD

Quote from Steve Curtis; Poker Run America Mag.
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"Today, Cougar is working with Honda Marine on an outboard powered RIB class for racing in Europe. The Honda Formula Four Stroke seriesfetures single engine21' and 26' cougar v-bottoms with 150hp and 225hp Honda outboards, respectively.

It's on of the things I have worked really hard on he said. We've got TV Packages, Media covearge. Its a great series and we're really trying to expand on it.

A team intrested in offshore racing can buy a Cougar RIB with a Honda outboard for less than $20,000 and go racing and there are often 20 or more boats lined up at the start of the race.

"Out of those 20 teams, your always going to get 2 or three to step up". said Curtis. who realizes the sport needs new competitors and new sponsors for offshore racing to continue.

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20K - It would be cheaper to import them...

No he has the V-24 but Dave is more than capable to modify it if necessary.

20K - It would be cheaper to import them...

I import alot of containers. If you could stack 4 boats in one 40' sea container it would be about $1300 per boat. If there are no tarriffs. That price would actually be from China not the UK so I would think it would be cheaper from UK.

There has to be some kind of discounted engine or even free to qualified teams to be priced this low, or series sponsors are charged and the funds go to the boat builder to lower the cost or something 20K is to cheap.

But your about right with the cost Dean, I just filled out the paper work to Trans-overseas for a 40ft container and it was $5279.00 shipping.

I don't think the 20K is for the same boat. The RIB is the zodiac style with a lot less power.

Actually a RIB is a fiberglass v-hull with the inflated portion around it, drastically different from a zodiac. I'm sure Rick will post a pic within minutes...:D And rick these are the boats I mentioned before that would be hilarious to race...can't see anyone giving an inch diving into the corners when their boat has a bumper around it!! :evilb:

I believe it was steve curtis who was manufacturing them out of Ohio...cleveland maybe?

Here is an example:

http://www.bananasharkracing.com/

When I had the Dragon up for sale over a yer ago...I was working on a sponsorship deal with a manufacture on racing there RIB in P-Class....I have run a number of these boats years ago.... we ran these boats with the old shock seats and desiel engines with jet drives....

You can get these type of boats fairly cheap....but i looked at a number of manufactures to find the ones that would stand behind there boats in racing conditions.....they are very light and do not need a lot of HP to push them to 60 to 65 mph....we were working on one that was just the hull and engine package and I was going to put in our own POD with the seating and dash set up, the one I was working with could turn on a rail.....we also were working on doing a little work on the transom for the HP and sterring to be beefed up....there is very little hull maintanace to these boats....the tubs can be very expensive...but maintainace was also not expensive.....