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Does anyone have any interest in that single outboard class over seas? I saw that video a few weeks ago and what a blast that looked like. It seemed like 25 plus boats hammer down. I would think that could be the ultimate class in the US at a affordable cost.
MD

Hey Randy,
I tried to get some OB guys racing in Patchogue, at first there was a storm of interest then a flurry of smack talk, Smitty okayed them racing with out paying an registration fee, in the end one boat showed up and he raced his butt off in class 6, they were real balzy! and put on a great race. Who knows maybe this year there will be more interest. Louie


PS the boat that raced was "Intimidator"

I liked the idea of a spec motor and was thinking of a less expensive F1 option. A real 60-70 MPH at WOT at a entry level budget. Start the first year with class 6 and see if it grows. Just a thought on good hard racing WOT where cost should be key.
I got to believe getting one outboard manufacture would be much easyer to sponsor a motor due to the amount of product they sell vs Merc. racing.
Another thought would be make a standard hull that must be used in building your boat. If manufactures wanted to build the decks different that would be ok but the bottoms would all be the same.
What would a mold cost to build for a 26' hull only? And then whats a ball park cost on laying up a dependable hull?
Whats a ballpark on a deck and cockpit?
Remember its a race hull not a pleasure, keep the cost down and only have one color.
I also think the possibility of sponsorship might be possable if your whole program was under $50k. 10-$5K sponsors just might be possible.
MD

They run 2 classes, a 150hp and a 225hp with the 150hp being 22ft and the 225hp being 25-26ft (I Think). I just happen to find a old issue of H2O Mag at Vicious Marine today and they had a great 6 page plus write up about how the is the biggest draw in UIM right now. One picture I seen had 15 plus boats that I counted at the start.

I found a few used ones for sale (In England) priced from 25k to 50k U.S.D.

Figure you could get Yamaha, Suzuki or even Mercury to sponsor such a class with discounted engines to the teams.

I think a "TRUE" Entry level spec class that you could get into a complete new boat for 40K would be killer !!!

This sounds like an awesome idea. It would give an affordable cost to boat racing and the entry level warrior. Why not go along a variation of the 21 superboat/shadow. attempt bringing back a mold along those lines with a 200hp. that hull would give you the best rough water performance out of a small boat.

Randy, I love this Idea, but can you get the manufactures to add a 26 to their line up. Now your getting the ultimate spec class 1111, 1hull, 1motor, 1drive, 1 weight and the manufactures can create their own identity with their deck design. Or, If a manufacture had enough resources the build their own class like the one design did but with an open cockpit boat that would appeal to the average Joe, it must be a duel purpose boat such as the Honda Spec Racer. Here are some engine manufactures that should push a 26 60 to 70mph, maybe Steve could splash the Oaty boat a few times and
sell hull molds, a 26 would be the perfect size for a class like this, but all Hulls from the same mold or all molds from the same plug.

http://www.pcmengines.com/60.html
http://www.mercruiserparts.com/383_Magnum.htm
http://www.1800runsnew.com/NLM/perf-engines-NLM.html

You should be able to be in the water 40 to 50K

It is a great idea.
You would probably want to only use one manufacturer to
keep control of the hulls. In the Sports Car Club of America,
we have what is called Spec Racer. All the chassis were
built by one firm. All the engines are sealed and rebuilt by
one firm. They run spec tires.
Transfer this idea to a 23-26 foot boat. Same hull, same motor, spec prop. Everybody has same everything except
skills & Nutz. No worries about being outspent.
I think 21' would be a little short for open water. Set them up to run about 60-65MPH.

Ideally, you would want one firm or organization to sell the
boats, to help maintain control. Basically, if I wanted one,
I would call "Randy's Boat Co." and purchase the boat
rigged or in bare hull form if I wanted to rig it myself according to a set of regulations. That doesn't mean Randy's
Boat Co. has to build them, Get a manufacturer to commit
to build the hulls.

Something to think about for sure.

Rich
Undertow 611

I would lay up 26's for everyone at a very affordable cost. Spec 26's w. outboards would rock!

How much would a narrow beam est 26'race boat cost? Just the hull? If you had a choice between a Mercury, Evinrude, Yamaha, and Honda maybe the manufactiures would give an incintive to run theres.

The bat boat is probably the most popular out board race boat in Europe. GlassDave has the molds.

This one posted below is a 26ft 225hp's
http://www.honda-racing.co.uk/champi...20071002_1.jpg


Another 26ft 225hp Boat, Check out the bottom.
http://www.honda-racing.co.uk/champi...teairwaves.jpg


This is one of the 22-24ft 150hp's
http://www.honda-racing.co.uk/champi...tionracing.jpg

For a class like this to take off you would need a few things. First get a billionaire to work with a manufacture to build 6 or so boats. Have those boats towed to and raced at each OPA Event as an "exhibition" the first year, just ask some teams to go out and “race them” to put on a show for the fans. Have the boats very acceasble in the pits with brochures and prices to the fans and potential buyers, let them know the real cost and how they can be towed behind the family sedan to each race. Than start selling off the first boats at a discounted price to gain more interest. Once people see it's a class her to stay they will feel "safe" investing in a "toy" they can race with on the weekends with little cost.

But that’s in a perfect world, so it would never happen.



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Can a new one with engine be built for under 45K ?

We'll start today laying up 26's for 20 grand each if I get 5 orders. No BS price , 7 ft beam , ballast tank , fuel tank and rub rail. Who's 1st? Matter of fact I have one ready to go now! Matter of fact I'll take my slim profits and put it back into the SOB Racing Series. Now who wants the shirt off my back too?:cool-smiley-011:

In that lay’s the problem.

So who you be the official “spec” builder? ~ You?
What would be spec weight and dimensions?
Ballast tank? I don’t believe the one in Europe have a Tank.

Who ever wanted to “start” the class should work with someone (some one with big $$) and just build 5 or so boats and start racing them, show people this is for real and not just another pipe dream.

Well I'm not the one with the big $$$$ as you keep saying. I am however willing to step up and make this work. All boats would weigh the same and be identical. This is for real and not a pipe dream as you say. Ballast tanks will keep the boats from flying sideways like in the above picture.

Well I'm pretty Poor so I'm no help..

I would think you would want to "duplicate" the boats raced in Europe. They already have a good thing going and if we could jump on maybe in the future you could get teams from Europe to race the Worlds in the Keys and if we all have the same equipment it would be that much easier.

I like Brians boat much better, the European boats do have a ballast tank but are only 6'beam thats why they fly out all the time. First of all you have to get an engine package together some one that will support the class and see the value in racing as GM did with the Vortech Program. The boats above are 70 to 80K any boat with no rub rail has a lot of labor built in to it.

whats a ball park $ on a 225hp 4 stroke? Brian what kind of speed would you think your 26 would do with a 225? Has that bottom ever run with a outboard?

Who has the best v-bottom 24-27' hull on the market now?

I Would Be Interested. I Think It Would Be A Great Starter Class. 40k For A Race Ready Boat?

Well, We Would Be Puzzies If We Call A Race For High Seas Now Wouldnt We?

Well the hull is basically a Corsa. We could lay it up lighter to get some speed. Miklos set the kilo record w/ a hp500 at 82 mph , speed not sure. The deck we have is a outboard deck. We have to modify it for I/O. I'm serious guy's , not playing.
1.Mike
2. Randy
3. Me

There's 3 for the class. Tell me what to do and I'll do it!

Get Yamaha , Honda, Or Tahotsu To Give Some Breaks On The Motors. They Should Want A Piece Of This

We also have access to the 21 Apache molds (Beau's). Get er done.

Well I know a boat builder with a 25 Sunsation/Corsa/Panther (all the same) Mold and could Vacuum bag one pretty damm light and very strong for pretty cheap.

But Like I said, If you look long term it would better to "copy" one of Euro designs. Same boats, same specs different continent would open up great door for cross continent rivalry races and maybe some racers going to and fro..

I ain't copying no Europeans.

Ok, Maybe not the French....:D

Steve Curtis is the brain child behind that class. It is his baby. I will call him tomorrow and see what involvement Honda has. If a manufacturer would get behind the power it has a chance. Looks like wild a@@ racing.

wild is an understatement. those guys and G I R L S are freakin nutz. looks like fun. im making a call in the am about a boat

Do the racers over seas all have the same bottom? Or are there different boat builders.
Being a class that would the least expensive in Offshore history I dont see teams that are spending less then $50k sending there boat overseas. It would be cheaper to leave it.
Can you calculate aprox speed with HP to weight with that bottom?
Is it a stepped bottom?
Less HP means less cost!!!!!
Whats the speed target we should be shooting for?
65 mph?
Think safety as well!
A cool cockpit is a must for a race feeling.
MD

I had breakfast with Steve Curtis when we were in KW. The boats are all identicle, stock power, with no mods other than a little prop work.

I spoke with Sparky at Vicious Marine this morning and he crunched some numbers. He can build a 24/25 V Hull (Sunsation / Panther / Corsa ..All the same..) For just under 15K ready to be rigged. Or a full boat (depending on the motor) for just under 40K.

This is what offshore racing needs a true “entry-level class” and not entry level as in skill; entry level as in affordable. Think about it, most boats spend more on the SUV’s they are driving. A race boat with a practically indestructible motor, Low fuel burning cost, tows behind a large car, cheap to insure (if needed) fits in the drive way and you can run it tubing on the weekend.. If you build a class like the UIM 4-Stroke Honda Class in the U.S. can you imagine what it would be like?

U.I.M. Spec's for the 225hp Class
Length overall 26’09
Moulded beam 6’00”
Weight 2420 lbs
Hull type Twin stepped 24 degrees deep V
Water Ballast 15 gals
Fuel capacity 35 gals

That video looks likes the old F1 days.....

:eek: Boy that did I get invovled with boat racing to late in life.


I found a few more pictures of the boats.

The Hull kind'a looks like a Bat-Boat without the wings..

Well if this is going to become somthing, I can break out the 24' molds and Handlay completely cored ready to rigg hulls, for $15,000.00 set up for outboard or I/O's and $20,000.00 for a completely vacuum infused all composite hull that is state of the art light weight and strong !! ( NO AIR VOIDS )

Let me know !

Sparky

That's a great deal. So you've done alot of posting and calling mfg's - ARE YOU GOING TO BUY ONE?

Sparky and I would build one, race it try and grow intrest in the class than sell it..

But before anything we would need spec's to start building to.

Vicious vs. Joker?! Hell ya the competition started and they haven't even hit the water yet!!!

If you did something like that...it would benifitt if you would use only one hull....and have set rigging set up...meaning a set x.dim. kind of like the Iroc Series all cars are set up the same and run at the same speeds.....the Manufature or you could rig it....but they would be all rigged the same...
and if your smart you all run the same size prop....one pitch no mondifacation....and have someone like Throttle up sell the propellers...and they could inspect it also....if you want to keep it inexpensive this is the way to go....becasue you know...just in props alone a team could spend over 10k testing and having 3 to 5 sets of props just for water conditions...which could take some teams right out of being compeditive by the first race....I hope we have learned over the years....teams with money can always find more speed...but if the boats all have the sme set up and prop...its up to the driver and throttleman to get her up front...

KEEP IT SIMPLE....If you want to get faster...run your boat...not who's got the must money to make it faster or who can get around the rules....and that should be the first tech rule:
NO MODIFICATIONS AT ALL....MEANING NOTHING....
No sanding the bottom...
No sanding lowers...
Have a so call template like NASCARA.....right down to the bildge pumps and fire extingushers in the same place...
There is nothing to a 26 foot boat with a outboard to inspected...