Class 3 for 2011
12-03-2010 | 10:40 AM
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From: The Joisey Shore
The 41 Apache can run in class 6 for all I care. All I am saying is that Bob Oliver's 41 used to run in class 2 I believe and took overall honors in many races even running against Cats capable of running 110 plus. I am speaking of offshore racing not racing in the bay. That 41 Apache should lap the class in rough. Its just my opinion and I am sure OPA and the class will figure it out.
Wil
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12-03-2010 | 10:48 AM
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From: Cortez,Fl
Ron,
In 03 , Bob was running his black 41. Once he sold it , then he brought out his 47.
Boats used to be place according to their abilities not the crews. Everybody has a rookie season it does not mean you will win or even be competitive.
Forget it. !!
This will go on for ever. There will always be sandbaging in bracket racing.
One of the problems with our sport, everybody thinks they deserve to win simply by being able to afford a big boat.
Wil
In 03 , Bob was running his black 41. Once he sold it , then he brought out his 47.
Boats used to be place according to their abilities not the crews. Everybody has a rookie season it does not mean you will win or even be competitive.
Forget it. !!
This will go on for ever. There will always be sandbaging in bracket racing.
One of the problems with our sport, everybody thinks they deserve to win simply by being able to afford a big boat.
Wil
12-03-2010 | 11:29 AM
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From: Brick NJ
In defense of Chiro One. They bought that boat expecting speed. I know they went through a lot of props trying to get it to run class 3. I know it is an 85 mph boat. Ocean race, out front. Anything else, trying to push that 41 takes a lot of power. Deal was if it stayed with the 850's it was good for class 4. If Gary worked his majic, another story. Something tells me, she'll be looking for class 3 this year. Never know. Smitty
12-03-2010 | 04:22 PM
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From: utica,n.y.
Guys,
Please lay off the Apache, they originally came in as a class 3 boat and based off of the boats performance consulted with Smitty and it was approved to move into Class 4. I am not by any means trying to throw Smitty under the bus, but part of the job he faces day in and day out is to make tough decisions. They were a new team(together) and need time to gel. Now I personally think the world of those guys and at the end of the day, Simmons still won. Last year, Class 4 was a 4 pony show, which includes Simmons, Chiro, Typhoon, and towards the end Formula. On any given day, any one of those teams can win, now you add Jersey Outlaw to the mix, it should be the foundation to some great battles. As much as Bruce hates me, I know he has the talent and the boat underneath him to be in that mix and my memory is real fuzzy, but didnt "Absolutely Not" win Ocean City? National Guard has what it takes and hopefully we can bring Kilt up north.
All everyone is doing by complaining about the Apache team is pissing them off to where they wont come back and we lost another race team, a good race team. Plus I am sure that no matter how much banter is said on these boards, Smitty has already talked to them and has a better handle on the situation than any of us keyboard artists....
Please lay off the Apache, they originally came in as a class 3 boat and based off of the boats performance consulted with Smitty and it was approved to move into Class 4. I am not by any means trying to throw Smitty under the bus, but part of the job he faces day in and day out is to make tough decisions. They were a new team(together) and need time to gel. Now I personally think the world of those guys and at the end of the day, Simmons still won. Last year, Class 4 was a 4 pony show, which includes Simmons, Chiro, Typhoon, and towards the end Formula. On any given day, any one of those teams can win, now you add Jersey Outlaw to the mix, it should be the foundation to some great battles. As much as Bruce hates me, I know he has the talent and the boat underneath him to be in that mix and my memory is real fuzzy, but didnt "Absolutely Not" win Ocean City? National Guard has what it takes and hopefully we can bring Kilt up north.
All everyone is doing by complaining about the Apache team is pissing them off to where they wont come back and we lost another race team, a good race team. Plus I am sure that no matter how much banter is said on these boards, Smitty has already talked to them and has a better handle on the situation than any of us keyboard artists....
12-03-2010 | 06:52 PM
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Wil is typing from a great deal of racing experience, a great deal...Back in 03, and 04 the 32 single engine Bad Boy stayed with the 38 Augie Scarab EVERY lap, and they where both wide open. I believe, that no one is attacking the 41 apache owner, nor should they be, however it does look a little unique when all the other boats in class 4 are max 33-35'
Also you may not be using your best judgement (DrGary, Chiro)to question the logic, be-little, or put down potential friends and fellow racers. I know as a past crew, past racer, and younger racing enthusist, I have complete faith in Mr. Smith and his team to make some very tough and good decisions for the direction of OPA.
I would love to see 3-4 Apache 41s run like they did in Atlantic city, NJ in 02,03 in class (3?) but they all ran in the same class because it was the sportsmen thing and obligation of the teams/ owners to do so. And the person/ 41 owner with the least racing circuit experience won (SC red hot).
whatever you decide i agree with randy cause, no one should ever mess with the bull....dog.
ps. someone should get willie and larry back into a boat that runs again...for more then 8 laps
Also you may not be using your best judgement (DrGary, Chiro)to question the logic, be-little, or put down potential friends and fellow racers. I know as a past crew, past racer, and younger racing enthusist, I have complete faith in Mr. Smith and his team to make some very tough and good decisions for the direction of OPA.
I would love to see 3-4 Apache 41s run like they did in Atlantic city, NJ in 02,03 in class (3?) but they all ran in the same class because it was the sportsmen thing and obligation of the teams/ owners to do so. And the person/ 41 owner with the least racing circuit experience won (SC red hot).
whatever you decide i agree with randy cause, no one should ever mess with the bull....dog.
ps. someone should get willie and larry back into a boat that runs again...for more then 8 laps
12-03-2010 | 07:26 PM
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For the record I have no problem with the Chiro in class 4 with its current power. I dont think the boat can go any faster than 87-89MPH. To get it to go 95 would take big power that would be unreliable and may keep them on the side more than racing. They show at calm water races and never complain and in the big they have an advantage. But what they dont do is just show at only ocean races. This makes them team players in my book.
That boat in class 3 with current power would get eaten alive even with Don A. in it. I may only have 30 feet with a single but I am up for the challenge. Lets not forget this is P class racing where everyone has a place to race. As sits its a class 4 boat. If they want to move up thats up to them and Smitty I applaud them for being a steady team at every OPA race.
MD
That boat in class 3 with current power would get eaten alive even with Don A. in it. I may only have 30 feet with a single but I am up for the challenge. Lets not forget this is P class racing where everyone has a place to race. As sits its a class 4 boat. If they want to move up thats up to them and Smitty I applaud them for being a steady team at every OPA race.
MD
