Never gonna happen

Ok we will call it "actions detrimental to Offshore Racing"
but penalty is the same.

If the guy who ran all the laps breaks out, then the guy who broke out 10 feet in is more deserving.

Class 5 & 6 are ALMOST identical with size and speed, and most everyone agrees that we have to many classes but are not willing to sacrifice or change "my" Class.

I'll agree that a 26ft Velocity will suck in the bigger waters racing in class5, but it's better for the sport "Less Classes", people will adapt and move forward.

And for that "My boats to slow argument" I say Upgrade .. remember that little single O/B that raced class 6? , Well he was to slow and small and we did not make a class for him.


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Far as the break out rule I have been on both sides of the stick on that.

But I like the ideal of having to finish first, than out of the finishers the person who "Broke" out is scored and placed against them.

We are racing and competing and we should be scored against people who actually competed the full event (not a "few" laps") .

[QUOTE=F1-00 Racing;3276175]Heres a possible compromise, with Frank getting the exact numbers down to the decimal, if this scenario rears its ugly head which it will as it did in Harrison and Solomons(that is 2 that I am aware of) put a break out limit on it, then revert it back to the broken down boat if the break out goes over that amount.

ie(using class 4 as example) I break down and Steve Adams wins but has a break out on his tattletale, if he broke out over 85.5 then the win goes to me, if under 85.5 he gets the win[/QUOTEbsflag:

WHO HAS A 90 MPH CLASS 6 BOAT ?????

I would guess the same guy that has a 95mph class 5 boat? :lolhit:

If breaking out is cheating, Has Tyler ever NOT cheated?

That's just not cool.

If you guys could just finish a race you would have not started this thread !!!!! :D

Frank is a good friend of mine and I broke out plenty of times I'm backing Frank !!!!!!!!

Are we back to the Fountain thing again ??


Just let it go................

I'm with Dean and Tyler on this one! Uncool Post!! I'm with Frank!! I have broke out and stayed within the bracket.

Naw, it's just about Tyler's inability to see his dash GPS

Like I said some people have 100% different views. I find it FAR more detrimental to have a race with majority of the fleet bobbing in the water broken down and the spectators wondering why there is one boat going around in a circle. Alone.

Case in point - Super Cat. Originally it was a BIG hp class and totally bad a$$ I might add. However the teams couldn't keep the boats together and it would seem a majority of the fleet would breakdown leaving little to no show for the spectators & promoters. Getting sidetracked but just wanted to state that breakdowns are just as, if not more, detrimental to the sport.

Class 5 & 6 are always touchy on these topics how about some input from the faster classes?

Rick quick question - how would those classes be combined? Most view class 6 as the entry level with the 500hp rule. Class 5 is where the real power begins (or at least according to the rulebook). Are you suggesting the 5/6 class run 500hp or that 5/6 run 5 engines (basically just no blowers)?

I think either way you will lose racers - those 6 boats that cannot or simply do not want to invest in higher hp or the class 5 racers who enjoy the big hp. I say leave it as it is.

One thing I did think about at worlds...if organizations were to limit the number of classes how much of raceday would actually be filled with racing??? Worlds have 3 races/starts PER DAY and there still seemed to be long delays in the day. Less classes equal less starts which equal less racing action in the course of a raceday in my opinion. Whats the big deal with 6 performance classes then the big dogs in spec classes come out? Seems to make for a pretty filled day raceday.

"Think about it this way - who is more deserving of points the guy who broke 10ft into the race or the guy who runs all the laps???

As for who should win in certain scenerios I think the guys who break are out first (placed in the order they break), the guys who run all the laps (putting on a great show in the process) but break out finish ahead of those that broke and those that run a clean race the win. "

I like this!!! Great Idea!!!

Horsepower is not King in class 6 or 5, Just look at the Class 5 World Champ, hes running a 525hp...

Look at the Class 6 World Champ, hes running a 385hp Crockett built blower motor..

Just seems class 6 is called entry level, when that's not close to true..

Less than one hp per cubic inch in a boosted application?! Riiigghhhhttt :party-smiley-004:

A 525 is minimum for class 5. Again thats barely 1hp per cubic inch. Childs play. Then again they are close to 575-600hp with some tweaks too. I like class 5 because it opens up options for those that like to build motors - one of the main reason the spec classes are almost boring to me. The engines are sealed blackboxes. Now bring back an A-class rule setup combined with a hp/wt ratio and GAME ON!!! Class has a lot of engine builders in it - Wazzup, PFE, Crockett, Saris, next year Champion, etc.

Thats because a few teams like to flex their muscle and not follow the 500hp limit :angry-smiley-038:

BTW I want to make sure this thread doesnt head down the path of so many threads on OSO.

I am all for open discussion and feel the most input leads to the best solution. :coolcowboy:

So blowers are legal in Class 6. We had asked about is last Feb. at the meeting and Smitty said there was going to be another blower boat in Class 6, a 24ft. P&D Marine.

It was grandfather in no new class 6 blower boats..

I think blower motor are a good thing for the simple reason, it will last the whole race season, low compression and smaller cam profile, less wear and tear on motor. Blowers should be legal in all classes.

So why take the largest Class in OPA ( Class 5) and make it even bigger with boats that wont be competitive? Not all of them, some will run well...but...some wont. Why screw people over like that? You say it like its easy.."Just Upgrade"...you gonna pay for it?

Class was designed to be "entry level", nothing entry level about it.. 70 or 75mph will cost the same to run.

In the long run that's what everyone is after, Bigger and less class and 5 and 6 are an easy merge seeing as they are so close already.

Seems "Bigger Boat count" & "Less Classes" is the normal battle cry but no one want to step up and take that first hit.

I disagree. 70 and 75 will not cost the same to run. Cotner, Lockd Up...squeexzng another 5 mph out of those boats to run 75 in race trim wont be cheap. Everyone in class 5 was thrilled with the turnout this year, we never had a lack of boats. There will be more, but the new ones should be real class 5 boats.

That's 2 boats out of a fleet of what?

So we are making classes for boats is what your saying? That's what we were trying to avoid, wasn't it?

I'm not saying I'm right I'm just saying I have a valid argument :lolhit:lol

If class 6 was truly entry level we should encourage more weekend warriors to race buy making 6 a trophy only class and cut the boat registration/entry down to a couple hundred bucks and even loan out GPS boxes to the newbies.

Now That's entry level.

This I agree with, If anything is keeping people out of racing its the grand for the gps..but theres no avoiding it. Im not saying build classes for boats, Im saying respect the boats that are already there...
and hey,,,its racing...noone is ever right :drink:

Ladies, gents, this is my suggestion... WRITE down your suggestions, send them to OPA Racing, LLC., 799-Route 70 East, Brick, NJ 08723. This way when we (The Board) have everything in writing (in front of us) and there is no confusion. We'll do our best to address everything. Thanks

I kant right...:drink:

Dont worry...Ill write yours for you :lolhit: :drink:

My little brother got his arm stuck in the microwave. So my mom had to take him to the hospital. Than my grandma dropped acid this morning, and she freaked out. She hijacked a busload of penguins. So it's sort of a family crisis. Bye!

Can we make the turn buoys Green because I can't tell if it is a corner or Gary Cooks helmet when I am coming down the staight a ways !!!!

But length is...size does matter in offshore powerboat racing.The Class 6 boats would be at a disadavantage if they were merged into Class 5.If there is a plan to reduce classes,it should be at the top of the class structure...ie combine SCL into Class 1...SV into Class 2 for example.

3 Bat boats, Knot Guilty, Akula, Scarab.
More than 2, Ricky

What do you care anyway?, you don't have a boat in either class. We have two classes that bring the most boats to a race. If they were merged, you would lose some. For what?

As usual , Waterboy, we are on the same page!

Rich
Joker Powerboats 611

Oops. . . . . .my bad. . . .I have been informed by the teams technical advisor it was in fact blue 112. . . . . Not 114 which. . . . . Apparently is red. . . . . . But I was correct that it did still suck none the less . . . . . :drink:

Either way, it is pretty flammable...

You speak better than me lol :kiss::party-smiley-004:

:confused: I don't? and as to why I care I think I already posted that a couple times in this thread.