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2 Trick Rick 12-17-2010 06:42 PM


Originally Posted by sbracing (Post 3277269)
3 Bat boats, Knot Guilty, Akula, Scarab.
More than 2, Ricky

-Bat boats are more than capable of running well over 75mph

-Knot Guilty, that an F1 Boat capable of 75 plus

-Akula always ran well over 75, Very Well Over until his engine started tiring out and Its at Crocketts now getting freshened up

-Scarb? Dont know that boat, but I seen a couple of boats that raced out east and from the looks of there motors 75 is not an issue.


Now Size, Yes size matters.. Wasn't there a couple Corsa's running class 4 before and winning?

If Class 6 is truly "entry level" Than make it a trophy only class and allow the weekend warriors to race there stock Baja's, Scarabs, Sunsations and what knots; Lower registration to a couple hundred bucks and even lend them GPS Units; use the class for what its designed for 'attracting the first time racer"

Offshore racing is like a drug, let them try it, hook them and they will come back.

TeamSaris 12-17-2010 07:01 PM


Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick (Post 3277298)
-Bat boats are more than capable of running well over 75mph

-Knot Guilty, that an F1 Boat capable of 75 plus

-Akula always ran well over 75, Very Well Over until his engine started tiring out and Its at Crocketts now getting freshened up

-Scarb? Dont know that boat, but I seen a couple of boats that raced out east and from the looks of there motors 75 is not an issue.


Now Size, Yes size matters.. Wasn't there a couple Corsa's running class 4 before and winning?

If Class 6 is truly "entry level" Than make it a trophy only class and allow the weekend warriors to race there stock Baja's, Scarabs, Sunsations and what knots; Lower registration to a couple hundred bucks and even lend them GPS Units; use the class for what its designed for 'attracting the first time racer"

Offshore racing is like a drug, let them try it, hook them and they will come back.

I like the entry level thing...but i assure you..class 5 and 6 are two totally different animals

gary cook 12-17-2010 07:37 PM

All of you are getting off the reason of the post i new this would start a fire storm . you are all getting worked up and its only the middle of december you guys will want kill each other or me by spring. but it dosent matter any way because im going to send a proposed change to smitty and augie and they can figure it out thats why they get the big bucks. If they change the rule great if not so be it we will all still be racing in the spring.:hitfan: And we will be back with my cheating class 6 boat all 450 hp of it:signs069:

sbracing 12-17-2010 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by gary cook (Post 3277347)
All of you are getting off the reason of the post i new this would start a fire storm . you are all getting worked up and its only the middle of december you guys will want kill each other or me by spring. but it dosent matter any way because im going to send a proposed change to smitty and augie and they can figure it out thats why they get the big bucks. If they change the rule great if not so be it we will all still be racing in the spring.:hitfan: And we will be back with my cheating class 6 boat all 450 hp of it:signs069:

Hey Gary,
Nobody wants to kill anyone......Everyone just stating their opinion, thats all....It's not personal, strickly business. All opinions are welcome. We all have ideas to improve what we have, not everyone is going to agree, but at the end of the day, we are a bunch of OPA racers who like racing against and hanging with their friends...

Rich
611

Your boat only cheats when it exceeds 70.00 MPH. Mine has. Once. In 4 seasons.

sbracing 12-17-2010 08:22 PM


Originally Posted by fast fun 2 (Post 3277315)
I like the entry level thing...

I like a entry level idea, but not a specific class for it. Make a one time discount and loaner GPS for anyone who races in 1 race in any class, not eligible for prize money or points, only trophy. This way any guy with a boat that fits 1-6 can try it out. If he likes it, pay full registration for rest of season, minus what he already paid.

If you declare class 6 the "entry level class" you won't have
any boats at some race sites and very few at others.

The current class formula works, we have a good boat count.
Leave 'er be.

TeamSaris 12-17-2010 08:50 PM


Originally Posted by gary cook (Post 3277347)
All of you are getting off the reason of the post i new this would start a fire storm . you are all getting worked up and its only the middle of december you guys will want kill each other or me by spring. but it dosent matter any way because im going to send a proposed change to smitty and augie and they can figure it out thats why they get the big bucks. If they change the rule great if not so be it we will all still be racing in the spring.:hitfan: And we will be back with my cheating class 6 boat all 450 hp of it:signs069:

i wouldnt kill anyone I owe a drink too :drink: :coolcowboy:

waterboy1 12-18-2010 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by PARADISE ISLAND (Post 3276725)
Frank has no ethics& is a jail bird if he likes you fine if not break out time:bsflag:

You are way out of line here.We have broken out a number of times since the current GPS tracking system was introduced back in 2006;including in Solomons Island,MD which cost us the race and the National High Points Championship in Class 5.We were very disapointed,but the scoring sheets confirmed that we did break out.We have also had a number of good finishes by running right on the edge of the 75MPH class limit.We have checked the accuracy of the OPA GPS units against on board,hand held and wrist GPS units.They are very accurate.OPA rules have even built in a small tolerance for spikes.The bottom line is that the system works. Frank does an oustanding job in what is no doubt a thankless position.OPA has a great group of VOLUNTEER OFFICIALS...we should be thankful that they give up thier time to support our sport;I know I am.

glassdave 12-18-2010 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3277657)
. . . . . Frank does an outstanding job in what is no doubt a thankless position.OPA has a great group of VOLUNTEER OFFICIALS...we should thankful that they give up thier time to support our sport;I know I am.

+1,000,000

gary cook 12-18-2010 10:49 AM

Paradise island i have to agree with waterboy 1 i dont think frank is that slick or has enough time to be changing gps times. also this thread was started by me because of the outcome of the harrison twp race i was p.o about a few things but even during all the stuff going on frank showed me were we broke out and how many times while he was trying take care of all the other things he had to do. He dosent have enough time to be picking and choosing who brakes out and dosent. :offtopic:

sbracing 12-18-2010 12:30 PM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3277657)
You are way out of line here.We have broken out a number of times since the current GPS tracking system was introduced back in 2006;including in Solomons Island,MD which cost us the race and the National High Points Championship in Class 5.We were very disapointed,but the scoring sheets confirmed that we did break out.We have also had a number of good finishes by running right on the edge of the 75MPH class limit.We have checked the accuracy of the OPA GPS units against on board,hand held and wrist GPS units.They are very accurate.OPA rules have even built in a small tolerance for spikes.The bottom line is that the system works. Frank does an oustanding job in what is no doubt a thankless position.OPA has a great group of VOLUNTEER OFFICIALS...we should thankful that they give up thier time to support our sport;I know I am.

Amen, brother.

TeamSaris 12-18-2010 04:22 PM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3277657)
You are way out of line here.We have broken out a number of times since the current GPS tracking system was introduced back in 2006;including in Solomons Island,MD which cost us the race and the National High Points Championship in Class 5.We were very disapointed,but the scoring sheets confirmed that we did break out.We have also had a number of good finishes by running right on the edge of the 75MPH class limit.We have checked the accuracy of the OPA GPS units against on board,hand held and wrist GPS units.They are very accurate.OPA rules have even built in a small tolerance for spikes.The bottom line is that the system works. Frank does an oustanding job in what is no doubt a thankless position.OPA has a great group of VOLUNTEER OFFICIALS...we should thankful that they give up thier time to support our sport;I know I am.

Good post buddy! Agreed

GoFastSonic 12-18-2010 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3277657)
You are way out of line here.We have broken out a number of times since the current GPS tracking system was introduced back in 2006;including in Solomons Island,MD which cost us the race and the National High Points Championship in Class 5.We were very disapointed,but the scoring sheets confirmed that we did break out.We have also had a number of good finishes by running right on the edge of the 75MPH class limit.We have checked the accuracy of the OPA GPS units against on board,hand held and wrist GPS units.They are very accurate.OPA rules have even built in a small tolerance for spikes.The bottom line is that the system works. Frank does an oustanding job in what is no doubt a thankless position.OPA has a great group of VOLUNTEER OFFICIALS...we should thankful that they give up thier time to support our sport;I know I am.


Im with you 100 percent mark

Mike O
531 WHOZ YOUR DADDY

berns29scarab 12-18-2010 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by sbracing (Post 3277379)
I like a entry level idea, but not a specific class for it. Make a one time discount and loaner GPS for anyone who races in 1 race in any class, not eligible for prize money or points, only trophy. This way any guy with a boat that fits 1-6 can try it out. If he likes it, pay full registration for rest of season, minus what he already paid.

If you declare class 6 the "entry level class" you won't have
any boats at some race sites and very few at others.

The current class formula works, we have a good boat count.
Leave 'er be.

thats a fantastic idea...i think you might attrack some of the pleasure boaters and poker runners with a plan like that. then again some of the poker runs have individual entry fees of $500+ per event

sbracing 12-18-2010 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by berns29scarab (Post 3277980)
thats a fantastic idea...i think you might attrack some of the pleasure boaters and poker runners with a plan like that. then again some of the poker runs have individual entry fees of $500+ per event

To be honest, Smitty may already do it, but I think it is a good idea to give some guys/girls a taste of actual racing without a huge investment.

glassdave 12-18-2010 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by sbracing (Post 3277982)
To be honest, Smitty may already do it, but I think it is a good idea to give some guys/girls a taste of actual racing without a huge investment.

wonder if they could do a one time deal for the first timers at like half the normal fee then if they return the full fee is due. This would only be avaliable as a one time deal per team/individual or something like that. In other words would nopt be avaliable to those already in the sport that only do one race a year.

Fast Shafts 12-18-2010 08:11 PM

I'm going to be getting a new GPS. I'd be happy to donate my old GPS to OPA for a newbie to try racing.
Bob G. 606 Lock'd Up

SnapWall 12-19-2010 08:55 AM

Can we make the turn buoys Green because I can't tell if it is a corner or Gary Cooks helmet when I am coming down the staight a ways !!!!......

Hahaha

gary cook 12-19-2010 09:06 AM

I bought tyler a booster seat for christmas so he can see over the dash board. you know thats a problem when your only 4 feet 6 inchs tall.
With extra height now he will be able to see over the dash then maybe he will be able to pass on the right side of the markers.

Wazzup Racing 12-19-2010 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by gary cook (Post 3277347)
All of you are getting off the reason of the post i new this would start a fire storm . you are all getting worked up and its only the middle of december you guys will want kill each other or me by spring. but it dosent matter any way because im going to send a proposed change to smitty and augie and they can figure it out thats why they get the big bucks. If they change the rule great if not so be it we will all still be racing in the spring.:hitfan: And we will be back with my cheating class 6 boat all 450 hp of it:signs069:

Also, if anyone has any other thoughts , and can not make the meeting in Feb. Please follow Gary's lead. But get them to me early enough so I can call you to discuss. Gary, keep up the good work. Glad you have become part of the crew. Smitty

gary cook 12-19-2010 09:32 AM

I think i have a new way of picking lanes.
Arm wrestling tell me what you think.
first rule no steroids i crack my self up.:nhl_fight:

2 Trick Rick 12-19-2010 09:37 AM


Originally Posted by gary cook (Post 3278198)
I think i have a new way of picking lanes.
Arm wrestling tell me what you think.
first rule no steroids i crack my self up.:nhl_fight:

No we pick by height, Tallest inside to shortest on the outside... :drink:

waterboy1 12-19-2010 09:53 AM


Originally Posted by 2 Trick Rick (Post 3278208)
No we pick by height, Tallest inside to shortest on the outside... :drink:

On a serious note;I say draw for lanes at the first race of the season;and then invert the starting positions based on points at each subsequent race.The pole position would always go to the team that is last in points in going into that particular race.Teams making thier first ever start could start 100 yards back behind the line up.In my opinion,this format would create more position changes during the course of a race. It would result in some different front runners in all the classes. and also tighten up the battle for the high points championship.I think this would create exciting racing for the racers and the fans,and make for great TV coverage too!Starting positions are very important; particularly in bracket racing where everyone is capable of running the top speed for thier class.I think under this format the race would not always be won in the first few turns of the first lap.

berns29scarab 12-19-2010 10:30 AM


Originally Posted by waterboy1 (Post 3278230)
On a serious note;I say draw for lanes at the first race of the season;and then invert the starting positions based on points at each subsequent race.The pole position would always go to the team that is last in points in going into that particular race.Teams making thier first ever start could start 100 yards back behind the line up.In my opinion,this format would create more position changes during the course of a race. It would result in some different front runners in all the classes. and also tighten up the battle for the high points championship.I think this would create excite racing for the racers and the fans,and make for great TV coverage too!Starting positions are very important; particularly in bracket racing where everyone is capable of running the top speed for thier class.I think under this format the race would not always be won in the first few turns of the first lap.

great idea

TeamSaris 12-19-2010 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by berns29scarab (Post 3278263)
great idea

I second that

gary cook 12-19-2010 04:34 PM

Rick if they go by height tyler will have to start on street.:poopoo:
O ya john im glad you think tyler is funny you guys hurt my feelings im very sensative you know.

TylerCrockett 12-19-2010 06:14 PM

If you guys let me back in Class 6 I promise I will leave the trailer attatched to my boat !!!!! to give you guys a chance at winning. :D

TylerCrockett 12-19-2010 06:16 PM

I watched the race today who won Class 6 I did not see the interview ???

TylerCrockett 12-19-2010 06:25 PM


Originally Posted by gary cook (Post 3278198)
I think i have a new way of picking lanes.
Donut Eating tell me what you think.
first rule no Oatmeal i crack my self up.:nhl_fight:

Ok you can have the inside !!! :D

gary cook 12-19-2010 08:41 PM

Maybe you should have the inside so you can see.
o i forgot about your booster seat that i got you for christmas so you will have to go to the out side.
But maybe you can cut across before the first turn like they do in svl.
opps did i say that out loud.:hitfan:
And that remark about my helmet and turn marker being the same well:asskiss:
And you said you were my friend im really hurt:bsflag:

marinetrans 12-19-2010 09:49 PM

I thought of a few things to mention. This was discussed at 2010 Feb. meeting, gps wiring was going to inspect for anyone with "incorrect wiring or the blue wire" connected to a rpm/speed limiting device/engine ECM or who knows what else. I would like to see this enforced for 2011, even if some have to move the gps/wiring so it is visible to an OPA offical. Also had an idea of "rotating" gps units at every race, no name tags, but a random pick.

glassdave 12-20-2010 03:41 PM


Originally Posted by SnapWall (Post 3278165)
Can we make the turn buoys Green because I can't tell if it is a corner or Gary Cooks helmet when I am coming down the staight a ways !!!!......

Hahaha

. . . you'll have enough green things in front of you next year :coolcowboy::D

heater63 12-22-2010 07:56 PM

I think we should all have the same speed limiting device I have!!! Its called a stock 525!!!!!!lol.

gary cook 12-22-2010 08:41 PM

WE all cant aford it but if we could it would make classes more even to a point.
But by doing that its spec racing if nobody cheats do you think that would happen.?
I mean no cheating? LOL

TeamSaris 12-22-2010 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by heater63 (Post 3281167)
I think we should all have the same speed limiting device I have!!! Its called a stock 525!!!!!!lol.

Thats not what I hear ;)

heater63 12-23-2010 01:32 AM

As a matter of fact Johnny! Its got 6 years of racing on it and has never been touched (still has Mercury seals on it).2011 things might be different!!!!!!!!!!look out I'm coming to get you.

TeamSaris 12-23-2010 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by heater63 (Post 3281299)
As a matter of fact Johnny! Its got 6 years of racing on it and has never been touched (still has Mercury seals on it).2011 things might be different!!!!!!!!!!look out I'm coming to get you.

It needs stacks :lolhit: Let me know when you and Jake take a ride over. Have a good Xmas buddy!

Johnny

heater63 12-24-2010 11:38 PM

Merry Christmas to you and the family Johnny! looking forward to hooking up with you guys soon!

raynman 12-25-2010 12:42 PM

I support everything being said by 1waterboy and sbracing.

Class 6 was started for guys like us. 24' Sunsation Rocket. We got tired of chasing and getting beat by 28 and 30 foot boats with big power. Just couldn't compete. And usually took a physical beating. As for making Class 6 a "Trophy Class", do you think I'm travelling to Michigan 2 weekends in a row with no hope of recovering any of my expenses? No. Or anywhere else for that matter.
Also we have all the costs of maintenance that a class 5 boat has.
Just my 2 cents!

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all

Ray
Knot Guilty

Wahoo ATV 12-25-2010 06:00 PM

Come on Ray. You make it sound like michigan sucks! We'll may be.


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