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Cat fight class 5?
ok what's all the chatter about a lil itty bitty cat coming out in class 5?
What's the pros and cons? Are there any? what do any of the other v classes that have been infiltrated buy these seemingly harmless little fury critters have to say? If there are more then one can they have there own litter box to play in? Call it CAT 5? Is it like the rest of the boats in 5? certain advantages in some water conditions and certain disadvantages in others? Don't want to get under any ones flee collar here just want to know what's on every ones mind. And according to the rules there is no mention of v boats only. But I understand its been understood to be that way? Ok bash me Mike O 531 Whoz your cat killer I mean Daddy:thankyouthankyou: |
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV4xo_rF-oo[/YOUTUBE] Here's Johnny... Saris. LOL too easy. I have some kind of feeling he will be all over this thread. Anyway... I'd think that with all of the ocean races this year that it would equal out... but what do I know.
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Its not this boat I have a problem with, Ive been vocal about that. Although...it IS a Class 4 boat currently...you cant just keep lowering yourself in classes until you win.BUT...it sets a terrible precedent. What about when some guy with a 28 Skater shows up? How can ya tell him no? And anyone who owns a Vee Bottom under 30 foot and thinks they can keep up with a 28 Skater in the ocean has never run a 28 Skater. It is what It is I guess but simply put-
Class 4 vs. Class 4 Vees vs Vees Cats vs Cats Nice post by Whoz Your Transom Killer up there lol |
[QUOTE=fast fun 2;3678732]Its not this boat I have a problem with, Ive been vocal about that. Although...it IS a Class 4 boat currently...you cant just keep lowering yourself in classes until you win.BUT...it sets a terrible precedent. What about when some guy with a 28 Skater shows up? How can ya tell him no? And anyone who owns a Vee Bottom under 30 foot and thinks they can keep up with a 28 Skater in the ocean has never run a 28 Skater. It is what It is I guess but simply put-
Class 4 vs. Class 4 Vees vs Vees Cats vs Cats Agreed...and by the way the same thing happened in the old B Class in the early nineties...and that was a few single engine cats racing against twin engine vee bottoms.No offense to the single engine inboard cat team;but there are certain configurations that dont fit well in any class. |
I posted this in the other thread and I guess might need to be reposted over here. But when you guys start proposing rule changes, I ask that you keep a few things in mind: How will they be enforced and what is the cost to do so?, and quit creating new classes, pretty soon we'll be having a purse of $500.00 per class with all the additions. Per the rule book now, yes a 28 skater a 30 DW are all legal for C5, either propose modifications to prevent further sandbagging or live with it.....
Here's a suggestion for ya'll: Pitch X RPM's X .01(slip) / Gear Ratio / 12= speed. Then place the boats in the appropriate bracket. How do you feel about changing your number to 317 Johnny?:party-smiley-004:
Originally Posted by F1-00 Racing
(Post 3677627)
This is copied from page 40 of the "Official OPA Rulebook"
PERFORMANCE CLASSES DESIGINATION TOP SPEED NUMBER Class X Up to 150 MPH X-# Class 1 Up to 115 MPH *** 1-# Class SV Up to 105 MPH SV-# Class 3 Up to 95 MPH 3-# Class 4 Up to 85 MPH 4-# Class 5 Up to 75 MPH ** 5-# Class 6 Up to 70 MPH* 6-# *Performance Class 6 is designed as an entry level class. No boats over 26 feet in length and no boats with twin engines may compete in this class. **The Performance 5 class is limited to boats 30 ft and under with single or twin engines. *** Performance Class 1 Boats are limited 115 MPH as a top speed. This speed may be adjusted on a race by race basis depending upon conditions at each race site. Its not about precedence, young patawan, its just not in the rulebook. In my brief couple of stints racing in C5, I noticed there was a ton of "unwritten rules". Dont get me wrong, most of the "unwritten rules" have a plethora of merit, however, they are "unwritten". Why dont you organize your class, send out a ballot for vote and request to the powers that be that they be instituted and applied to the rulebook to avoid any further complications. Once the powers that be review the requested additional rules, they can consult with their corporate attorneys and insurance underwriters, then they can be implemented. Its all so simple. |
Yeah..me and the rest of C5 with very few exceptions would have to move up lol. We just kept up with the trend when we put the 650 in the Krypto. I get your point though...and I agree with half of it. We need a set of rules...real rules...that are written down and that are enforced! Dont mess with C5 now...just amend the rules so that the current competition level in the class is kept.
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Originally Posted by fast fun 2
(Post 3678761)
Yeah..me and the rest of C5 with very few exceptions would have to move up lol. We just kept up with the trend when we put the 650 in the Krypto. I get your point though...and I agree with half of it. We need a set of rules...real rules...that are written down and that are enforced! Dont mess with C5 now...just amend the rules so that the current competition level in the class is kept.
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Originally Posted by fast fun 2
(Post 3678761)
Yeah..me and the rest of C5 with very few exceptions would have to move up lol. We just kept up with the trend when we put the 650 in the Krypto. I get your point though...and I agree with half of it. We need a set of rules...real rules...that are written down and that are enforced! Dont mess with C5 now...just amend the rules so that the current competition level in the class is kept.
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Originally Posted by GoFastSonic
(Post 3678764)
Nice post by Whoz Your Transom Killer up there lol
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Originally Posted by fast fun 2
(Post 3678798)
Just called Rob...he took a very reasonable cash offer to run your boat just hard enough to Not beat me :whistle:
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Originally Posted by fast fun 2
(Post 3678761)
Yeah..me and the rest of C5 with very few exceptions would have to move up lol. We just kept up with the trend when we put the 650 in the Krypto. I get your point though...and I agree with half of it. We need a set of rules...real rules...that are written down and that are enforced! Dont mess with C5 now...just amend the rules so that the current competition level in the class is kept.
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Originally Posted by 2FastWarlock
(Post 3678919)
I wont have to move up! trent when are you coming out to play again, with the small boat?
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Mikey/Johnny.... When other things fall into place, I might try to find a crew to run her for us, but I think my time in her is over. It sucks getting old...... lol
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Did someone say "SANDBAGGING" ? Tell me it's not true that anyone would be doing that. Ok, you have a 30' boat with @600hp and it can only do 75mph?:eekdrop: Sounds like a problem with the boat or is it just driver error.
Now how can a twin engine boat with stock? power not do over 75mph? And is it "stock"? Look V vrs Cat is the age old fight and both will win in certin waters. I don't care how much power you throw at it, it will do what the driver/boat will allow. If it's 75 mph or 100 mph. The other issue is how fast can you turn without going swimming? So I feel the speed cap is the best way to keep it equal. In rough water the V's will be the strong ones, in smooth water the cats will be. It's all in the driving and setup boy's. |
Originally Posted by F1-00 Racing
(Post 3679005)
Mikey/Johnny.... When other things fall into place, I might try to find a crew to run her for us, but I think my time in her is over. It sucks getting old...... lol
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Originally Posted by 2FastWarlock
(Post 3679305)
Sounds good, are you going to be in OC for the race to watch from the beach?
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what does smitty have to say? this is an interesting issue. John would you be ok with a 30 sutphen (really 29') with 2 SBCs?
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Originally Posted by smcser
(Post 3679286)
Did someone say "SANDBAGGING" ? Tell me it's not true that anyone would be doing that. Ok, you have a 30' boat with @600hp and it can only do 75mph?:eekdrop: Sounds like a problem with the boat or is it just driver error.
Now how can a twin engine boat with stock? power not do over 75mph? And is it "stock"? Look V vrs Cat is the age old fight and both will win in certin waters. I don't care how much power you throw at it, it will do what the driver/boat will allow. If it's 75 mph or 100 mph. The other issue is how fast can you turn without going swimming? So I feel the speed cap is the best way to keep it equal. In rough water the V's will be the strong ones, in smooth water the cats will be. It's all in the driving and setup boy's. |
Originally Posted by TOASTY
(Post 3679917)
what does smitty have to say? this is an interesting issue. John would you be ok with a 30 sutphen (really 29') with 2 SBCs?
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Originally Posted by fast fun 2
(Post 3679927)
I dont think your boat is on the "Grandfathered In" list but to be honest Im not sure. Smitty would know. If it is grandfathered in sure. If it isnt, no.
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Originally Posted by TOASTY
(Post 3679917)
what does smitty have to say? this is an interesting issue. John would you be ok with a 30 sutphen (really 29') with 2 SBCs?
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Originally Posted by Ntrsspray
(Post 3679987)
Also my dilemma as well. As I'll be racing next year my boat is a 29 century. Its really 28' 8" An old B class boat. Has 2 small blocks except I have blowers do I take em off or make people cry
i can see where this is going....gonna have to put one big bravo crushing motor in to stay competitive....or build another boat:lolhit: |
Bla,bla,bla guys in the end Smitty is reading all of this. He is the only one that will make any rule changes and that can clairify these questions, So Smitty please tell everyone before we get to OC what your decission is on Cats in class 5. Dont have the guy's debate on the internet. It is something that has been over looked in the rules. Make the call and post it please. Either way someone is going to be un happy. :daz:
MD |
Originally Posted by waterboy1
(Post 3679967)
This boat did race in Class 5 in Ocean City,MD in 2006.Toasty are you thinking about racing again?
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Originally Posted by TYPHOON
(Post 3680035)
Bla,bla,bla guys in the end Smitty is reading all of this. He is the only one that will make any rule changes and that can clairify these questions, So Smitty please tell everyone before we get to OC what your decission is on Cats in class 5. Dont have the guy's debate on the internet. It is something that has been over looked in the rules. Make the call and post it please. Either way someone is going to be un happy. :daz:
MD Make the call Smitty and no hard feelings with the outcome. |
Originally Posted by GoFastSonic
(Post 3680053)
Sounds like would still be allowed back in then?
In the end, smitty will make the right decision for all, i truly believe that. and that is coming from 10 years of racing with people who didn't think that...and no longer wish to be around & have fun with boats and OPA. Let them race |
If OPA is a democracy, not saying it is..Smitty's word is final and thats ok, but if it was...I sent out an email to all the class 5 teams asking there opinions on cats in Class 5...EVERYONE has voted no...except Randy who refused to vote :p
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Originally Posted by fast fun 2
(Post 3680396)
If OPA is a democracy, not saying it is..Smitty's word is final and thats ok, but if it was...I sent out an email to all the class 5 teams asking there opinions on cats in Class 5...EVERYONE has voted no...except Randy who refused to vote :p
You may have to learn new song? Cat scratch fever da da da:lolhit: |
Im down for a little Nugent :D
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funny how a cat might show up and all hell breaks loose. but no one complains that certain racers constantly run 800-900 hp ++++ engines.
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Originally Posted by skaterdave
(Post 3680500)
funny how a cat might show up and all hell breaks loose. but no one complains that certain racers constantly run 800-900 hp ++++ engines.
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Originally Posted by skaterdave
(Post 3680500)
funny how a cat might show up and all hell breaks loose. but no one complains that certain racers constantly run 800-900 hp ++++ engines.
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I was going to buy a 24 skater and have Sarris build me a engine for it so i could race in class 5,:party-smiley-004:
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Originally Posted by innerrage
(Post 3680724)
I was going to buy a 24 skater and have Sarris build me a engine for it so i could race in class 5,:party-smiley-004:
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Can that run in 6? Good question
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If a 28 cat can run 5, why couldnt a 24 run 6? This is the problem lol
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Not trying to be a smart ass but can a cat turn better than a vee at 75 MPH? Does inboard vs out board make a differance in a cat turning? The big question in my mind would be is there an advantage to turning and excellaration when you conpair. At 75 MPH I will challange anyone in a straight line in the ocean or river. Its the turns that really should be looked at. Twins dominate in turns hands down no questions period. In boards or outboards same results. Now its the same thing with cats vs vee's. In the spirit of the sport we need as many boats in as few classes as possable.
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Originally Posted by TYPHOON
(Post 3681150)
Not trying to be a smart ass but can a cat turn better than a vee at 75 MPH? Does inboard vs out board make a differance in a cat turning? The big question in my mind would be is there an advantage to turning and excellaration when you conpair. At 75 MPH I will challange anyone in a straight line in the ocean or river. Its the turns that really should be looked at. Twins dominate in turns hands down no questions period. In boards or outboards same results. Now its the same thing with cats vs vee's. In the spirit of the sport we need as many boats in as few classes as possable.
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Sorry to let this get so far out of control.
Class 5 is a V bottom class 30ft and under. Panther, Whoz Your daddy, and Specialized granfathered in. These rules were decided upon by the teams in the class, and enforced by the OPA. The class has the option of a vote to allow another boat into the class, that does not fit the current rules. While we do not want to turn any boat away, we do want to keep the stucture of racing in place. Can that particular cat out run the V's? No. But you open the door to others, who maybe can. We have seen this in the past. But, just because you vote one in, keep in mind this does not make it automatic for another. The class would still have to vote. In this instance you have a Cat that cannot compete in class 4, so what does he do? Walk away? My suggestion here would be, have the registered teams in Ocean City look at this boat, and we'll sit and discuss what to do. I know a vote was taken by the class Via Email, unfortunately that does not hold water. A vote must be witnessed by an OPA Offical. |
Originally Posted by TYPHOON
(Post 3681150)
Not trying to be a smart ass but can a cat turn better than a vee at 75 MPH? Does inboard vs out board make a differance in a cat turning? The big question in my mind would be is there an advantage to turning and excellaration when you conpair. At 75 MPH I will challange anyone in a straight line in the ocean or river. Its the turns that really should be looked at. Twins dominate in turns hands down no questions period. In boards or outboards same results. Now its the same thing with cats vs vee's. In the spirit of the sport we need as many boats in as few classes as possable.
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